Re: New Try from a New Guy

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:38:10 EST, Josh Roth <Fuscian@...> wrote:

>But that would be saying that that one phoneme is sometimes pronounced like
>[@], sometimes like [3], sometimes like [6], and other times like [V],
>depending on what other sounds it's near in a particular word. This is
>possible, but what I think you (Michael) are saying is that you want this to
>be one sound, but you can't quite pin down an IPA letter to represent it
>with. If you want it to be like a certain English sound you're thinking of,
>it's probably either [V] (as in the first syllable of 'butter') or [@] (as in
>the first syllable of 'potato' - both of those in 'standard' American
>pronunciation at least). Or you might want the first pronunciation when it's
>stressed, and the second when it's not, or something similar.
There's actually a noticeable difference between the vowels on different
IPA sound sample sites. On two of them, their sample for [6] sounds more
like American English /V/ than their sample for [V].

http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/course/chapter1/vowels.html
http://www.unil.ch/ling/english/phonetique/api43-eng.html

The third one has sounds for [6] and [V] that are so similar I can't tell
them apart.

http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/ipachart_vowels.html

So if you're having trouble telling the difference between the vowels on
this page, you're not alone. Try the UCLA page.

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