Re: Compound Tense Mystery
|From:||Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>|
|Date:||Monday, July 14, 2003, 4:51|
Thanks to everyone who suggested meanings!
Now it's time to go through them :-)
jsb: you were going to
apollo: you were going to(, but)
joe: you were going to
astrand: you always do (without pause)
I didn't expect any of these... although M. Astrand's idea of past+future
meaning "from the past till the future" is cool, i think i'll go with the
"going to" meaning. That one seems to fit the system closer to the way
the other forms do.
jsb: you should/must have
apollo: you should have / would that you had!
joe: you should have
jsb: (habitual/general imperative)
apollo: now is the time you should
joe: (imperative for always)
jsb: now, quickly, not with reference to extended times
joe: right away!
jsb: you should learn
apollo: when you get around to it (delayed imperative) / you might
joe: you will (as a command, not a description)
Now this is a good idea i didn't even consider at all! I had made
multiple levels of obligation verbs but i never considered encoding it in
the subject-tense complex like this! I like this idea, i think i'll go
with this use of time+command to convey a general idea of
jsb: (past habitual)
apollo: wow you're always / you seem to every day
joe: you have often
astrand: always in the past
jsb: (future habitual)
apollo: if you were to be (present hypothetical)
joe: you will be
astrand: you keep meaning to / you keep pushing off
These two i think i'll go with the idea of a kind of constant or
repetitive action extending from the present in whichever direction, so
EZOIZU- would mean more or less something like "you have always".
apollo: you should've
astrand: you should have
apollo: you should start and do it in general
astrand: make it a habit to
apollo: go and do it now
apollo: don't you think you should?
astrand: do it but there's no hurry
joe: same as EZ*ZE-, with different emphasis
With these i think i'll just make them time-specified commands, so
EZEZII- would be "do it in the future", EZEZOI- would be "do it in
general", EZEZA- "do it right now", and i guess EZEZU- could be something
like "have it done (by such-and-such a time)"
apollo: just do it gosh dang it!
astrand: or else!
Makes sense :-) And if you're really angry or in a rush, EZEZEZEZEZE....
Origin of reduplicated pronomial /z/:
Pretty much. Originally the compound tenses were long double-verbs where
the first one was |tezat| 'be' and then the second was the regular verb,
so EZUZOI-RIS used to be EZU-TEZAT ZOI-RIS. The /z/ may have been put on
the second verb in order to mark it clearly as a verb; without it, OI-RIS
could be understood as a noun "routine learning" or "learning in
general". But now i think that internally, they developed the way Apollo
suggests, from originally a multi-word phrase where the first part was a
verbless subject-tense complex and the second was the verb, i.e. EZU
EZOI-RIS. Then eventually the subject-tense prefixes merged, and
verbless subject-tense prefixes got moved to sentence-final position (ex.
SUDDAAGHNAAB EZOI 'you're (always) sleepy').
Thanks again to all of you for your ideas!
"she'll be back."