Re: Cross-post: Naming systems, family structure, politeness in , address

>Address: as far as names are concerned, people use the given name to
>speak directly to someone or to refer to them if they're present.  If
>they're not present, the family name is used, sometimes with something
>like "the younger" or "the soldier" tacked on for clarity.  If you have
>the family Iromel, "Iromel" will generally refer to the highest-ranking
>or best-known Iromel, though this may be ameliorated by context, e.g. if
>people are discussing what calligrapher to hire, "Iromel" might not mean
>Lord Iromel, but Raevaru Iromel, the only calligrapher in that family.
I saw something like this in the ST:TNG novel Q-In-Law. Graziunas and
Nistral were the names both of Tizarin houses and the ones adopted by the
heads of those houses.