Re: Tasratal: sketch: connectives (long)

--- Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2001, at 02:33 ,
> SuomenkieliMaa wrote:
>
> > --- Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...> wrote:
> >> Possible examples:
> >> "Yoon" txo ~= I *am* Yoon, dammit!
> >>                Yoon *will* exist!
> >> "Yoon" ga ~= Are you Yoon?
> >>               Is there a Yoon?
> >> "Yoon" nai ~= Yoon exists or is here.
> >>
> >> Note that <txo> can be used in a fashion similar
> (?)
> >> to the Japanese yo,
> >> <ga> in a fashion similar to Japanese ka.  (At
> least
> >> as I understand them.)
> >
> > Nice little feature, also like Korean _anmida_
> isn't
> >
> You mean _amnida_?  :-)  (Er...I hope that's right.
> Eep.)
Yes, you're right... and I'm sorry for taking about
2-3 weeks to finally reply...  :/

> > it?  Just wondering, what if you just want to say
> "I'm
> > Yoon" as in Jpn "Yoon desu".  Your txo is way too
> > strong, if it is the equivalent of Jpn yo.  Is it
> nai
> > then?  Hmm, but nai somehow makes me think the
> > negative "I'm not Yoon" (probably because it is
> the
> > negative in Jpn!)...  BTW, is this always used for
> any
> >
> Yeah--I hadn't thought of the Japanese negative, but
> you're right.  (Then
> again, I know very little Japanese.)
Then from where did you conjure up nai?  Or was it
just that you found it appealing?

> "Yoon-en" would be something like "I'm Yoon."
> "Yoon-nai" would be
> something like "There is a Yoon."  The main
LOL!  There is a Yoon... that's adorable  :D
So, like in this case on the list here, we've got
several Matts... if I want to say that "I'm a Matt
from the list" then I'd use nai then?

> difference between the two is
> that you could say "Yoon unicorn-en"--Yoon is a
> unicorn (but unicorns, at
> least to my knowledge, don't exist).  You couldn't
> say "Yoon unicorn-nai"
> because that makes an additional statement about
> existence that isn't
> there with the "en" copula.  Does that make any
> sense?
Think so... en acts like a linking verb, whereas nai
has an additional underlying connotation that there is
an amount of (s.o.) existing.  Right?

> > register of speech?  For instance, you know that
> desu
> > --> da or desuyo --> (da)yo in Jpn... same in
> > Tasratal?
> >
> My *vague* understanding from various subbed anime
> is that da is less
> formal.  Is that correct?  I actually haven't
Yes, you're right... and it's typically for males.

> figured out registers of
> speech in Tasratal; for the moment they don't exist.
>  One meep at a time..
Nor in Vyh!  The Enclave (ie, Vya:a:hn People) don't
mind, though, for the time being.  :)

> >> Possible examples:
> >> "Yoon" en. ~= (I'm) Yoon.
> >
> > Eh?  So, how is Yoon en different from Yoon nai ?
> > The copula is en, not nai - right?
> >
> See above...
>
> > Oh, I love these little markers!  You're so
> creative
> > with that implied "dammit" meaning and all.  I
> think I
> > can do somethiing like that in Vyh with my
> honorific
> > _hy'yy_ used in conjunction with negativizor _ox_.
> >
> Thank you.  :-)  What does _hy'yy_ by itself usually
> signify?
Just an honorific indicator, like Jpn "go" or "o".
I'd guess Korean has something similar, though I
cannot say what it may be.  _hy'yy_ is derived from
_hyyva:_ (good), and in some cases it may turn itself
into _yy_ (again, like Jpn "go" or "o" honorifics).
Most of the time, it is to indicate honor/respect upon
the word it is attached to -- that could be a person
or an object even; it can, however, be used to
condescend or show sarcasm.

> > Too much more to comment on, so I'll close early.
> > Nice job, I for one like the logic to it!
>
> Thanks!  Your comments are really helpful, too; they
> force me to clarify
> what the heck is going on with the language.  :-)
> Doomo arigatoo!
Well, unfortunately, I could only go as far as above.
Not much of a true linguist yet!  Dou-itashimashite
(cho-maneyo).

Matt33

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