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OT: cyphers

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Monday, December 10, 2007, 7:43
On 2007-12-09 Mark J. Reed wrote:
> So, take the nine pairs, alphabetize according to the > earliest member of the pair, and put them into the tic-tac- > toe grid; the dotted ones are the "voiced" sound: > >: /p/+/b/ /t/+/d/ /f/+/v/ >: /k/+/g/ /r/+/l/ /n/+/m/ >: /s/+/z/ /S/+/Z/ /t/+/D/ > > Then put the last four clockwise into the cross: > >: /j/ >: /N/ /h/ >: /w/ > > Vowels are represented by diacritics placed either under > the previous consonant or over the following, whichever > fits a given circumstance better: circumflex for /a/, > acute accent for /e/, grave accent for /i/, overdot for > /o/, and macron for /u/.
Great minds think alike. That's freakishly close to my final setup. Did you also come up with cursive forms of the letters? I even had upper and lower case... BTW I misremembered the mapping of the lowest row in my setup: /N n m/ went in the voiced group and /x l w/ in the voiceless. Also it was /r/ which was voiced counterpart to /s/ and /l/ was 'voiceless' counterpart to /n/. I think I changed these things back and forth a bit, not being satisfied with the lowest voiceless row being a kind of waste basket housing sounds that didn't fit elsewhere. The basic problem was of course that there are more voiced than voiceless phonemes in Swedish. I can't remember the signs I used for vowels in the version where the vowels were diacritics above the consonants. I just remember they looked like dots, accents, Greek breathings etc. but not the values -- probably because I kept changing my mind. I do however remember the extra signs I used for [z S Z tS dZ] -- they were like /s C j t d/ with an extra descender. There was an /s/ with an ascender used for [ts] too. All of them used to write other languages like English, German, Latin, Italian, French -- i.e. the ones I studied in the _gymnasium_. I don't remember if/how I wrote Greek. Amazing how much I do remember after 20+ years! /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*, c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo)


Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>