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Re: OT: cyphers

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Monday, December 10, 2007, 11:40
I tried repeatedly to develop a cursive form, but was never happy with
the result.  I never had a case difference,  well, given the span of
years involved, "never" is an overstatement - I probably made case
distinctions at some point, but if I did it was most likely either
simple size or a diacritic.

On 12/10/07, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
> On 2007-12-09 Mark J. Reed wrote: > > So, take the nine pairs, alphabetize according to the > > earliest member of the pair, and put them into the tic-tac- > > toe grid; the dotted ones are the "voiced" sound: > > > >: /p/+/b/ /t/+/d/ /f/+/v/ > >: /k/+/g/ /r/+/l/ /n/+/m/ > >: /s/+/z/ /S/+/Z/ /t/+/D/ > > > > Then put the last four clockwise into the cross: > > > >: /j/ > >: /N/ /h/ > >: /w/ > > > > Vowels are represented by diacritics placed either under > > the previous consonant or over the following, whichever > > fits a given circumstance better: circumflex for /a/, > > acute accent for /e/, grave accent for /i/, overdot for > > /o/, and macron for /u/. > > Great minds think alike. That's freakishly close to my > final setup. > > Did you also come up with cursive forms of the letters? I > even had upper and lower case... > > BTW I misremembered the mapping of the lowest row in my > setup: /N n m/ went in the voiced group and /x l w/ in the > voiceless. Also it was /r/ which was voiced counterpart to > /s/ and /l/ was 'voiceless' counterpart to /n/. I think I > changed these things back and forth a bit, not being > satisfied with the lowest voiceless row being a kind of > waste basket housing sounds that didn't fit elsewhere. The > basic problem was of course that there are more voiced than > voiceless phonemes in Swedish. > > I can't remember the signs I used for vowels in the version > where the vowels were diacritics above the consonants. I > just remember they looked like dots, accents, Greek > breathings etc. but not the values -- probably because I > kept changing my mind. > > I do however remember the extra signs I used for [z S Z tS > dZ] -- they were like /s C j t d/ with an extra descender. > There was an /s/ with an ascender used for [ts] too. All of > them used to write other languages like English, German, > Latin, Italian, French -- i.e. the ones I studied in the > _gymnasium_. I don't remember if/how I wrote Greek. > > Amazing how much I do remember after 20+ years! > > /BP 8^)> > -- > Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient > à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil > ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*, > c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo) >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>