Re: OT: cyphers
|From:||Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>|
|Date:||Monday, December 10, 2007, 11:40|
I tried repeatedly to develop a cursive form, but was never happy with
the result. I never had a case difference, well, given the span of
years involved, "never" is an overstatement - I probably made case
distinctions at some point, but if I did it was most likely either
simple size or a diacritic.
On 12/10/07, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
> On 2007-12-09 Mark J. Reed wrote:
> > So, take the nine pairs, alphabetize according to the
> > earliest member of the pair, and put them into the tic-tac-
> > toe grid; the dotted ones are the "voiced" sound:
> >: /p/+/b/ /t/+/d/ /f/+/v/
> >: /k/+/g/ /r/+/l/ /n/+/m/
> >: /s/+/z/ /S/+/Z/ /t/+/D/
> > Then put the last four clockwise into the cross:
> >: /j/
> >: /N/ /h/
> >: /w/
> > Vowels are represented by diacritics placed either under
> > the previous consonant or over the following, whichever
> > fits a given circumstance better: circumflex for /a/,
> > acute accent for /e/, grave accent for /i/, overdot for
> > /o/, and macron for /u/.
> Great minds think alike. That's freakishly close to my
> final setup.
> Did you also come up with cursive forms of the letters? I
> even had upper and lower case...
> BTW I misremembered the mapping of the lowest row in my
> setup: /N n m/ went in the voiced group and /x l w/ in the
> voiceless. Also it was /r/ which was voiced counterpart to
> /s/ and /l/ was 'voiceless' counterpart to /n/. I think I
> changed these things back and forth a bit, not being
> satisfied with the lowest voiceless row being a kind of
> waste basket housing sounds that didn't fit elsewhere. The
> basic problem was of course that there are more voiced than
> voiceless phonemes in Swedish.
> I can't remember the signs I used for vowels in the version
> where the vowels were diacritics above the consonants. I
> just remember they looked like dots, accents, Greek
> breathings etc. but not the values -- probably because I
> kept changing my mind.
> I do however remember the extra signs I used for [z S Z tS
> dZ] -- they were like /s C j t d/ with an extra descender.
> There was an /s/ with an ascender used for [ts] too. All of
> them used to write other languages like English, German,
> Latin, Italian, French -- i.e. the ones I studied in the
> _gymnasium_. I don't remember if/how I wrote Greek.
> Amazing how much I do remember after 20+ years!
> /BP 8^)>
> Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
> "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
> à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
> ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
> c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo)
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>