Re: y sound

Joe wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Barrow" <davidab@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:40 AM
> Subject: Re: y sound
>
> > I won't argue figures, but most Spanish speakers don't distinguish y and
> ll,
> > and the pronunciation for ll (and y) in most of South America is [j].
> [dZ],
> > [Z] and [S] are mostly heard in Argentina and Uruguay
> >
>
> My (English) Spanish teacher, who lived in Colombia for a while says [dZ].
>
I say mostly Argentina and Uruguay.  Did he learn his Spanish  in Colombia?
perhaps his hearing can't distinguish [J\] from [dZ]

> And my Mexican Spanish teacher says [J] or [J\], I think.
I went here:

http://www.i-foo.com/~kturtle/misc/xsamchart.gif

to check IPA for [J] and [J\], and then I went here:

http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/

and clicked on consonants (pulmonic). Now, I can accept  [J\] for ll and y
but definitely not [J].  [J] is the sound of ñ (that's n with tilde if it
doesn't come through on anyone's email).

This site:

http://cerezo.pntic.mec.es/~ffras/fonologia.pdf

does say that [L] has disappeared for the vast majority Spanish speakers it's
[J\] for both y and ll; though I'm zapping between Peruvian, Chilean, Mexican,
and Spanish TV channels on cable and I'm hearing a mixture of
[J\] and [j] mostly [j].

David Barrow

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