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Re: punctuated abbreviations // was english spelling reform

From:bnathyuw <bnathyuw@...>
Date:Friday, October 18, 2002, 13:48
 --- Tristan <kesuari@...> wrote: > bnathyuw
uk civil service departments
> actually > >produce booklets to brief people on how letters > should > >be addressed ) > > > > > Yeah... I was just somewhere tonight and there was a > guest there who was > supposed to be called 'Mrs V'. Asian cultures---and > these made up the > majority of people---seem to have a much more > important respect thing > than Aussies... I really hated having to refer to > her as 'Mrs V' so > avoided it... >
we also had guidance on how to cope with foreign names. usually straightforward, except with chinese names where you had to guess which was the surname. but it got hideously complicated with muslim and sikh names. if i remember the rule for muslim ( and someone please correct me if either of these is wrong ) was : —sometimes both will be personal names, but one will be a name of muhammad, and shouldn't be used to address the person. in this case there is no surname and Mr/Ms X is inappropriate –sometimes there will be a surname, in which case you can use that –sometimes what was originally a personal name will have become a surname, and then Mr/Ms X _is_ appropriate which of course is already complex even if you can recognise what's a personal name and what a surname, but if you can't it's pretty nightmarish sikh names were similarish : a name will usually be a personal name followed by singh or kaur, _except_ that some people adopt singh ( rarely kaur ) as a surname, at which point Mr Singh ( which means Mr Mr ) becomes an appropriate term of address all of this confirms my view that using the first name is usually the best course ( unless of course your dealing with a muslim and their first name is a name of the prophet, in which case you've just committed a bit of a faux pas ) i imagine they can deal with it in india, altho they may not have the problem of people feeling compelled to have a surname there . . . (And if you think that's stupid, then
> you might as well > say it's stupid that some people insist on using > title+surname whenever > possible, especially of married women. Damnit, she's > herself, not her > husbands... And then, of course, because I'm > horribly double standarded, > I'd appreciate it if my wife, were I to have one, > would change her > surname to 'McLeay'. Unless she had a really cool > surname, in which case > I might take it instead ;) ).
and what about the old practice of calling someone Mrs John Smith ? aaaaargh ! i saw an official crown document a while ago on which women who used Mrs were referred to as Jane, Mrs Smith (!), women who used Miss were referred to as Miss Jane Smith, and women who used Ms were simply Jane Smith . . . I can't remember whether a man was John Smith Esq. but i suspect so on the name thing, the likelihood of my marrying ( particularly my marrying a woman, tho my marrying in general is pretty much out of the question ) is so low i haven't really given it much thought. but i suppose i would support the marryee keeping their own name ( particularly with my surname : butt ) bn ===== bnathyuw | landan | arR stamp the sunshine out | angelfish your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts