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Re: polysynthetic languages

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 19:08
En réponse à Nik Taylor :


>Christophe Grandsire wrote: > > One of the coolest features of Euskara has to be overdeclination. In > > Basque, you can sometimes add a case suffix to a noun *already* declined! > >Uatakassi does that too. :-)
Well, according to your examples, it's not exactly the same thing. What you have is case agreement, i.e. noun complements agree with the head noun in case too (and for this reason add a case mark corresponding to the head noun case). What happens in Basque is somewhat different. A declined form like "urrez": "with gold" can only be used adverbially, i.e. as a verb complement. To make it into a noun complement, the genitive case mark is added to it. So it's not a case of case agreement, but true overdeclination, in the sense that both case marks actually modify the grammatical function of the noun. You may notice that this can actually come back to the thread there was about English prepositional phrases able to complete both verbs and nouns (creating ambiguities) while Latin prepositional phrases could complete only verbs (requiring relative subclauses like "Pater noster qui es in caelis"). The system Uatakassi uses is a bit like the English system, and adds case agreement to solve the ambiguity problem. The Basque system is more like Latin (in that most oblique complements cannot complete nouns) but instead of using relative subclauses adds case marks to make those oblique complements into genitives which can actually complete nouns. Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.