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Judeo-Latin (Ju:d,ajajt,) and Cedillarama, J-L alphabet

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Friday, January 22, 1999, 21:10
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:44:25 -0500 John Cowan <cowan@...>
>Steg Belsky wrote: >> [I] found the perfect letters for representing >> "soft" D and T in Judeo-Latin ([z] and [s]) - a D and T with >cedillas! >> I was amazed when i found them....does anyone know what language >uses d, >> and t,, and what sounds they represent?
>D WITH CEDILLA is in Unicode, but I have no information on what >language uses it, if any.
>T WITH CEDILLA is a bogus character, really. When the Latin-2 >character set (for Eastern European languages) was designed, >the people who did it believed that Turkish S WITH CEDILLA and >Romanian S WITH COMMA BELOW were really the same thing, and they >included S WITH CEDILLA only. Consequently, they put in the >Romanian letter T WITH COMMA BELOW as T WITH CEDILLA, which Turkish >doesn't have. The Romanians have been protesting for years >(mixed in with revolutions and economic disasters) and the next >version of Unicode will finally have separate characters WITH >COMMA BELOW for them. Since nothing is ever removed from Unicode, >the bogus T WITH CEDILLA will remain in place. Feel free to use >it however you want.
Ah, cool. I feel so special, a Unicode character just for me! :)
>In Romanian, S WITH COMMA BELOW is /S/, and T WITH COMMA BELOW >is [ts].
>> I also found a W with a ^,
>That's used in Welsh for [u:], because Welsh encodes [u] as "w", and >circumflex is normal for vowel length.
>> However, now i'm thinking maybe i should >> change the S's upside-down ^ into a normal ^, so that it'll match >the W, >> since i couldn't find a W with an upside-down one.
>As a practical matter, S WITH CIRCUMFLEX is used >only in Esperanto, so fonts containing it aren't as generally >available as S WITH CARON (the inverted ^), which is available >in all Windows character sets.
Ah...but the thing is, i don't really *need* the diacritics in the language itself, as far as i can tell....since [s] is a form of /t/, and there is no /w/, {s} and {w} are free to be used for the fluctuating /S Z/ and /f v/ do you think i should use the diacritic'd characters at all? How about this idea?: S = normal fluctuating /S/ /Z/ phoneme and /s/ in loanwords/transliterations S-caron = /S/ in loanwords, especially from Hebrew S-circumflex = fluctuating /S/ /Z/ in words that include loaned /s/ or /S/ W = normal fluctuating /f/ /v/ phoneme and /w/ in loanwords/transliterations W-circumflex = fluctuating phoneme in words that include loaned /w/
>-- >John Cowan > You tollerday donsk? N. You tolkatiff scowegian? Nn. > You spigotty anglease? Nnn. You phonio saxo? Nnnn. > Clear all so! 'Tis a Jute.... (Finnegans Wake 16.5)
I forgot to actually send this email, and only found it lying here in my Outbox after i just spent the last while figuring out the entire 38-letter Juzajajs alphabet. So, i'm adding it in here: ({:} = macron, {,} = cedilla, {^} = circumflex, {*} = caron) A = /a/ A: = /a:/ B = /b B/ according to "beged-kefet" rules C = /k x/ beged-kefet C, = [x] marked beged-kefet fricative D = /d z/ beged-kefet D, = [z] marked b-k fricative E = /E/ E: = /e/ F = /P f/ marked b-k and voiced/unvoiced specification, and loanwords G = /g G/ b-k G, = [G] marked b-k fricative H = /h/ I = /I/ I: = /i/ J = /j/ K = /k/ loanwords, transliterations, etc. L = /l/ M = /m/ N = /n/ O = /o/ O: = /ow/ P = /p P/ b-k Q = /q/ loanwords, etc. R = /r/ S = /S Z s/ see above S^ = /S Z/ see above S* = [S] see above, and voiced/unvoiced specification T = /t s/ b-k T, = [s] b-k fricative marking U = /u/ U: = /uw/ V = /B v/ see {f} W = /f v w/ see above W^ = /f v/ see above X = /H/ Y = [Z] specification, as opposed to {s*} Z = /z/ loanwords, etc. The voiced/unvoiced fluctuating letters of S and W work according to a pattern of " [SaZaS] ". The sound becomes voiced only when surrounded by vowels and/or voiced consonants. -Stephen (Steg) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]