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con-Indo-Iranian (was: Re: Judean-Sanskrit/Bantu/Austronesian?)

From:BP.Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Saturday, January 23, 1999, 0:00
At 11:12 on 22.1.1999, Kenji Schwarz wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Kristian Jensen wrote: > > > Here's an idea: Judean-Sanskrit. I know there a group of Jews that > > live in India. As to when and how they got there, I really don't > > know. But perhaps a Judean language could arise in India if history > > presented itself differently. > > Off on a tangent, it seems odd that among all the Indo-Europeanists around > here, no one has done an Indo-Iranian-based conlang. Even with my > undergrad degree in Sanskrit-do-you-want-fries-with-that?, I'm not > volunteering for this, mind you, but it would be interesting. It would > sort of round out the con-IE family, along with Brithenig, Jameld, > Sevorian, etc. > > Kenji Schwarz
In fact I have recently been playing around with the idea that a group of Alani or Sarmatians -- speakers of "Scythian" north Iranian languages north of the black sea, before Goths and Slavs coming from the north and Turks and Mongols coming from the east ousted them -- had survived somewhere. There are quite many possible "somewheres" available, since the Alani wandered together with the Visigoths into Spain, where they disappear from the light of history (by learning Ibero-Romance, farming and Catholic Xianity -- I don't know if they were "heathen" or Arian like their Visigothic allies when they entered Spain. BTW the name "Alani" is of course derived from *Aariyaana, the ancient form of the word "Iran"; all the Iranian languages at one point merged /r/ and /l/, and having the value [l] for the sound is one characteristic of the western branch of north Iranian. (Other Iranian languages later re-acquired /l/ through loans, and in some [D] developed into /l/.) As for the Sarmatians one group of these had entered Roman service and been sent to Britain to provide heavy cavalry against the Picti and those invading Germanians who were eventually to conquer the land. There are several elements of Arthurian myth that may derive from this Sarmatian element: the Roman aristocrat who commanded the Sarmatian force was named Artorius, to begin with! The Sword-in-the-Stone motif may derive from the Scythian use of a sword stuck down into the earth or into a log of wood as an object of worship -- perhaps representing the martial Iranian god Mithra, defender of treaties, oaths, pastures and truth in general, who was believed to have been born from the Earth. The Sarmatians are also known to have used dragon-shaped windsocks for standards, which would be the origin of the name Pendragon. Last but not least they invented heavy cavalry as such, so central to the medieval concept of knighthood. One Iranian-speaking people, the Jasses, came as refugees to Hungary in the eleventh century and had a vocabulary of their language written down on a blank page in a book of tax-rolls before disappearing into the Magyar majority. B-P> B.Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> ---------------------------------------------------- Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant! (Tacitus)