Re: CHAT French undies (was: Re: Linguistic Terminology)

At 4:40 am -0600 6/1/99, Tom Wier wrote:
>Raymond A. Brown wrote:
.......
>> Weird - why pronounce and ending spelt/spelled -RIE as /rei/ or /rej/ ???
>> The only pronunciations I've ever heard are the southern Brit
>> anglicizations /'l&nZ@ri/ or something approaching the French /lE~Z'Ri/
>As a preliminary sidenote, you might want to note that in many varieties of
>British English, /&/
Certainly in Wales, the north of England and Highland Scots it is the low
/a/ of the continental variety, which is also certainly further back than
the American or southern English variety.

Southern English /&/ is definitely fronted and higher, tending towards /E/.
Indeed, foreigners often have difficulty keeping the two sounds separate.
I've mentioned before the Austrian girl who stayed with us a couple years
who pronounced 'wellies' and 'valleys' practically the same.  I think the
southern English variety is much the same as monophthongal American
varieties. What we don't have is the [I@] or [E@] pronunciations.

And at 4:18 am -0800 6/1/99, Christophe Grandsire wrote:
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> As for 'lingerie', it's pronounced in French exactly /lE~Z'ri/, where
>/E~/ is the nasal at the same place of articulation as /E/. the first
>'e' is mute.
Thanks for confirming that my French is correct  :-)

Ray.