Re: English [dZ]
| From: | John Vertical <johnvertical@...> |
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| Date: | Sunday, December 11, 2005, 13:21 |
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Tristan McLeay wrote:
>So perhaps a more complete more summary summary:
Thanks aplenty - very informative!
However, this reminded me of another issue... (In case the continued
existence of this thread annoys someone, I can always take it off-list.)
>/j/:
>In "long u" (cute). In reflex of /ew/ (new).
My non-native dialect still keeps those two distinct (the former is /ju:/ or
/u:/ while the latter is /jy/ or /y:/), but are there any native dialects
left that would still separate those two??
Also, this has bothered me ever since I first read about the Great Vowel
Shift. Where DOES the "long u" come from? So pre-GVS /o:/ as in "loot" has
become MnE /u:/, pGVS /u:/ as in "loud" has become MnE /au/ and pGVS /eu/
(or was it already /iu/ by then?) as in "lewd" has become /ju:/. But what
about the /ju:/ in words like "lute"? They can't surely ALL be later
borrowings, re-spelt pGVS /o:/ or /eu/, or exceptions to the GVS. The only
explanation that makes some sense to me is that they used to be just /u/,
but lenghtened to /u:/ for whatever reason; but this doesn't explain where
the /j/ came from?? *confuzzled*
John Vertical
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