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Re: English [dZ]

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Monday, December 12, 2005, 0:52
John Vertical wrote:
> > Sorry - I meant "accent". That word somehow completely escaped my mind > when > writing the previous message - hence the contrived expression "non-native > dialect". :D Oh, and I'm located in Finland. > > Anyway, practically everyone here pronounces "New York" as /ny: jo:k/ or > some variation thereof. The fronting applies widely to word-final /ju:/, > and > some people (like me) extend this to various other environments - at its > worst, to all non-initial positions. The /y:/ in question tends to be a > [y:] > proper only in the speech of people with little to none English fluency. > Eg. > I pronounce "few new clues" as something like [fHu\ n_jHu\ k_hlHu\s] and > definitely not [fy: ny: kly:s]
To me is sounds as if you've simply adopted the local pronunciation of that particular name, New York, which in turn is probably based on Swedish _ny_ or maybe just some local deformation....... But lots of Americans would say [ni'jor\k] in casual speech, and of course the parody of NY accent is "N'yawk". Would you pronounce [ny:] in a less-known name, say, New Brunswick, New Haven, Newton Upper Falls :-)))??
> > I could dig deeper into the stereotypical Finnish pronounciation of > English, > but I guess you may have lost your interest already.
Not at all. I'm sure there's a "Finnish-English" accent, just as there are XXX-English accents in every country where Engl. is an acquired language-- and for many, not as carefully studied (or taught), perhaps, as one might wish.