Re: English [dZ]

John Vertical wrote:
>
> Sorry - I meant "accent". That word somehow completely escaped my mind
> when
> writing the previous message - hence the contrived expression "non-native
> dialect". :D Oh, and I'm located in Finland.
>
> Anyway, practically everyone here pronounces "New York" as /ny: jo:k/ or
> some variation thereof. The fronting applies widely to word-final /ju:/,
> and
> some people (like me) extend this to various other environments - at its
> worst, to all non-initial positions. The /y:/ in question tends to be a
> [y:]
> proper only in the speech of people with little to none English fluency.
> Eg.
> I pronounce "few new clues" as something like [fHu\ n_jHu\ k_hlHu\s] and
> definitely not [fy: ny: kly:s]
To me is sounds as if you've simply adopted the local pronunciation of that
particular name, New York, which in turn is probably based on Swedish _ny_
or maybe just some local deformation....... But lots of Americans would say
[ni'jor\k] in casual speech, and of course the parody of NY accent is
"N'yawk". Would you pronounce [ny:] in a less-known name, say, New
Brunswick, New Haven, Newton Upper Falls :-)))??
>
> I could dig deeper into the stereotypical Finnish pronounciation of
> English,
> but I guess you may have lost your interest already.
Not at all.  I'm sure there's a "Finnish-English" accent, just as there are
XXX-English accents in every country where Engl. is an acquired language--
and for many, not as carefully studied (or taught), perhaps, as one might
wish.