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Re: OT: [Let_It_Be_Forever_Islam] THE WORLD OF THE JINN

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Sunday, October 19, 2003, 17:35
In a message dated 2003:10:18 03:23:55 AM, markjreed@MAIL.COM writes:

>On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:32:17PM -0400, J Y S Czhang wrote: >> It is not so much Political Correctness as geo-cultural accuracy >- hence the National Geographic's current policy of using _Asian_ and _Asia_ >versus "Oriental" and "[the] Orient." > >Accept that Asia is a pretty big place, of which "the Orient" is only >one part. So it would seem to be a more precise term.
No joke it's a Big Place :)
>> Nowadays, use of the words "Oriental" and "[the] Orient" smacks/smells >of exoticism and "Orientalism" - European conceptions and misconceptions >of Asia and Asians. > >Well, misconceptions will persist no matter what they call their target.:) >I don't think the increasing Western awareness of what the various Asian >cultures are really like is due to a vocabulary change.
Me either. BTW in many ways, New Age and WorldBeat are the "new exoticism."
>> It also creates the false dichotomy of "Orient" and "Occident." > >"Orient" and "Occident" are just "East" and "West" gussied up. >How is that a false dichotomy?
On the socio-cultural level it is a false (but-rather-convenient) dichotomy... Just like the false dichotomy of "good" and "evil." ;) In a message dated 2003:10:18 03:33:31 AM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:
>Naturally! Plus it's illogical - China being the >Middle Country, it only stands to reason that we >(Americans and Europeans) are the Orientals! ;)))
In a message dated 2003:10:18 04:27:55 AM, zsau@FIRESPEAKER.ORG writes:
>Nah, Americans are North-Oriental, Europeans are North-Occidental, East >Asians are Northerners (which still puts them in the middle of America >and Europe). Learn your geography! :)
In a message dated 2003:10:18 01:40:45 PM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:
>Oi! Once you cross the borders, it's all >barbarians and forners - what matters geography >to barbarians!? ;)
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