Re: OT: [Let_It_Be_Forever_Islam] THE WORLD OF THE JINN
|From:||J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>|
|Date:||Sunday, October 19, 2003, 17:35|
In a message dated 2003:10:18 03:23:55 AM, markjreed@MAIL.COM writes:
>On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 10:32:17PM -0400, J Y S Czhang wrote:
>> It is not so much Political Correctness as geo-cultural accuracy
>- hence the National Geographic's current policy of using _Asian_ and _Asia_
>versus "Oriental" and "[the] Orient."
>Accept that Asia is a pretty big place, of which "the Orient" is only
>one part. So it would seem to be a more precise term.
No joke it's a Big Place :)
>> Nowadays, use of the words "Oriental" and "[the] Orient" smacks/smells
>of exoticism and "Orientalism" - European conceptions and misconceptions
>of Asia and Asians.
>Well, misconceptions will persist no matter what they call their target.:)
>I don't think the increasing Western awareness of what the various Asian
>cultures are really like is due to a vocabulary change.
Me either. BTW in many ways, New Age and WorldBeat are the "new
>> It also creates the false dichotomy of "Orient" and "Occident."
>"Orient" and "Occident" are just "East" and "West" gussied up.
>How is that a false dichotomy?
On the socio-cultural level it is a false (but-rather-convenient)
Just like the false dichotomy of "good" and "evil." ;)
In a message dated 2003:10:18 03:33:31 AM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:
>Naturally! Plus it's illogical - China being the
>Middle Country, it only stands to reason that we
>(Americans and Europeans) are the Orientals! ;)))
In a message dated 2003:10:18 04:27:55 AM, zsau@FIRESPEAKER.ORG writes:
>Nah, Americans are North-Oriental, Europeans are North-Occidental, East
>Asians are Northerners (which still puts them in the middle of America
>and Europe). Learn your geography! :)
In a message dated 2003:10:18 01:40:45 PM, elemtilas@YAHOO.COM writes:
>Oi! Once you cross the borders, it's all
>barbarians and forners - what matters geography
>to barbarians!? ;)
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