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Re: R: Re: English notation

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Sunday, July 1, 2001, 21:52
Luca Mangiat a scritto:

>BP wrote: > >> At 20:41 2001-06-29 ?, Raymond Brown wrote: >> >> >IMHO the only successful way for a wholesale reform of English (rather >than >> >regularizing present spelling) is to adopt a _phonemic_ approach which >> >accommodates all mainstream varieties of English. >> >> And that is what I'm attempting! > >From Rosenfelder's site ( > ><<Ideally you shouldn't have to worry about my dialect at all: you could >simply take (say) ê to represent whatever you pronounce as the vowel in
>Unfortunately, English dialects are not uniform enough to share a single >phonology. There are many words that are not only pronounced differently in >different dialects-- that is, they have a distinct phonetic realization-- >but also have their own phonemic representation. > >Some examples: > >1. GA is rhotic-- we pronounce the post-vocalic r's-- while other important >dialects are not, notably the British standard, RP. > >2. I distinguish cot and caught, Don and Dawn; these vowels (ô, ò) merge in >the US West. > >3. On the other hand, I merge the vowel sounds in Mary, merry, and marry, >which are distinguished in Eastern US dialects and in RP. > >4. I pronounce w and wh the same. >>> > >So, what to do with these, for intance?
Ha! Well, that exactly what we've been going round and round about. And then you get (probably) generational problems-- while I agree with Rosenfelder's #1,2,3, we part company on #4. But I certainly subscribe to his main point: that "English dialects are not uniform enough to share a single phonology." I think Tristan mentioned that some Commonwealth countries may adopt US spellings. That strikes me as basically unncecessary-- "colour/color", "tyre/tire" doesn't really bother anyone, does it? "Gaol" of course is another matter.......:-) Out of curiosity, is it possible, Luca, to write your dialect in anything resembling standard Italian orthography? I'd think not.


Mangiat <mangiat@...>R: English notation