Re: Italian Particles

At 00:34 22/04/00 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Carlos Thompson"
>
>> Dugla koler ilaécri:
>
>You're on dangerous turf, Carlos. No one, not even the French, has called me
>/dugla/ and lived. :)Having my name mangled by various Romance speakers has
>led me to adopt different first names in the various countries.
>
I would say /duglas/. Would I survive? :)

>> Mua jpãz
>> Tua typãz
>> Lyi ilpãz
>> El elpãz
>> Nu nupãzõ
>> Vu vupãze
>> Øz ilpãzã
>> Elz elpãzã
>
>> Lchèz elzõ trèbel
>> Lfromaj ile délisiø
>> Mamèr elpãz ke...
>
>Using this system (though I don't remember your e-values), should these not
>be:
>
>Mua jpãs.
>Tua typãs.
>Lyi ("y" a little counterintuitive here for me) ilpãns.
I think it was a typo for "ilpãs". As for the 'y', if you decide to write
the vowel and the semi-vowel the same (as you did for /w/ and /u/: 'u'),
then 'y' is all right, as 'lui' is /lHi/ (with /H/: rounded front high
semi-vowel).

>El elpãs.
>Nu nupãsõ.
>Vu vupãsé.
>Ø ilpãs.
>El elpãs.
>
Yep, no liaison in this case.

>Léchèz elsõ trèbel.
I would say "Lèchèz". "Les" is /lE/, not /le/, at least for me.

>Løfromaj ilé délisiø.
"ilè" would fit more my pronunciation. But maybe it's only mine :) .

>Mamèr elpãs kø...
>
The use of 's' instead of 'z' is certainly more accurate :))) . I'm not
sure the use of slashed-o (I can't find it on my keyboard sorry) would be
okay for 'le' and 'que'. Even if those sounds are like the one at the end
of 'délicieux', they are different as the can be elided, and 'sound'
generally shorter. Maybe another sign for the schwa... Why not simply 'e',
and use the accented 'è' even in forms like 'èlpãs'?

                                                Christophe Grandsire
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