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Re: OT: Duchamp (fi: Musical languistics)

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Sunday, June 8, 2003, 3:16
In a message dated 2003:06:06 02:43:27 PM, ijzeren_jan@YAHOO.CO.UK replies to
my posting:

>Duchamp did his urinoir thing, he explicitly stated that it was not art >what he was doing; instead, he meant to relativise art.
Yes, "anti-art." I think the best found object "art" is anti-art, creative material appropriation that questions concepts of "Art", "Civilisation," "Culture", Masterpiece vs. Trash, perception, etc..
>But what happens next? Trainloads of younger artists started doing the >same kind of thing, claiming that it was high art
LMAO "high art"...the very thing anti-art seeks to upturn on its pointy lil ivory-tower head!
>and thus hiding their own artistic impotence behind a cover the Duchamp >(unwillingly?) had provided them. >And what is worse: these people became the new cultural establishment, >gaining positions that gave them the authority to decide which art is good
>which is not.
Amazing how so many of yesterday's liberals become today's conservatives. They get too "comfortable" and "complacent" then - if anything threatens their identity and security - they get downright reactionary. One of my favourite t-shirt slogans: "If you're not OUTRAGED... You're obviously not payin' attention!"
>> In wry, subversive way, calling found objects "art" is way of >> _otstraneniye_ - a Russian word and Formalist term - roughly meaning >> "to make the familiar strange." > >Yes. That's the same as German "Verfremdung" (Dutch "vervreemding"). See >B. Brecht's "Verfremdungseffekt".
In a message dated 2003:06:06 02:47:05 PM, Sally Caves writes:
>"Defamiliarization" in critical parlance in English. "To defamiliarize," >etc.
Yes, _Verfremdungseffekt_ is one of my favourite German words :) The English translation loses a bit in reducing it to merely "alienation effect." I believe I have mentioned _Verfremdungseffekt_ as well as _otstraneniye_ before (in numerous posts on my motivations for conlanging). ::adds _vervreemding_ to Dutch note-file:: ::BiG GRiN:: In a message dated 2003:06:06 02:48:15 PM, John Cowan writes:
>Also the "Mooreeffoc effect", after an anecdote, often told by >G.K. Chesterton, in which Charles Dickens catches sight of this word >written on a glass door and realizes that England is a fantastic land >and London a city of legend. (It is, of course, "Coffee-room" seen >in reverse.)
ROTFLMAO. Mooreeffoc effect... morphic effect... positively Joycean. --- Hanuman Zhang, _Gomi no sensei_ [Master of junk] & Gatherer of Extremely Enlightening Knowledge (or GEEK, for short ;) "To live is to scrounge, taking what you can in order to survive. So, since living is scrounging, the result of our efforts is to amass a pile of rubbish." - Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi, China, 4th Century BCE "The most beautiful order is a heap of sweepings piled up at random." - Heraclitus, Greece, 5th Century BCE Ars imitatur Naturam in sua operatione. [Latin > "Art is the imitation of Nature in her manner of operation."] " jinsei to iu mono wa, kichou na geijyutsu to ieru deshou " [Japanese > "one can probably say that 'life' is a precious artform"] in more radical, paracultural terms: "the (R)Evolution of the Everyday" "There is no total revolution, there is only _perpetual_ Revolution, real life, like love, dazzling at every moment." - Paul Eluard -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GFA/H/L/MC/MU/SS d--- s: a39 C++ U? P L- E-- W N-- o-- K--- w--- O-- M+ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t-- 5++ X+ R- /R* tv+ b++++ DI-- D-- G e++ h* r y++** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------