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Re: Gender in conlangs (was: Re: Umlauts (was Re: Elves and Ill Bethisad))

From:Muke Tever <hotblack@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 5, 2003, 18:36
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:54:18 +0100, Remi Villatel <maxilys@...>
wrote:
>> What it looks like is your conlang has animate >> and inanimate genders. So does my Talarian, >> though the gender is grammatical more than >> natural. > > It doesn't work this way. Animals which are living beings --so animate-- > are described with an *objective* pronoun. They are considered (with a > lot of > respect) as objects. And the same way you'll use a *m./f.* pronoun to > talk about the family pet, the Shaqueans (my aliens) will use a > *subjective* > pronoun, as if it was a family member.
This does sound like animacy. Though...it sounds like you want something more like "agentive" instead of "subjective" (and perhaps 'nonagentive' for 'objective')
> The Shaqueans which are double-gendered (hermaphrodite) like most of the > animals don't need a male/female discrimination. They're not so arrogant > to think that their body in more than an animal but they also feel that > they > possess something the animals don't: their spirit. Hence the > discrimination spirit/body and person/everything else they put in their > language. I think that makes the discrimination *subjective/objective* > as natural as *m./f.*
Note the etymology of "animate" itself. *Muke! -- http://frath.net/ http://kohath.livejournal.com/ E jer savne zarjé mas ne (You put music in my heart Se imné koone'f metha And with the spirit of an artist Brissve mé kolé adâ. I will make the dreamtime)