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More ASCII IPA suggestions

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Friday, February 6, 2004, 17:36
>From: Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> >Subject: More ASCII IPA suggestions ...
Sorry for late response. That ol' Real Life...
>No-one expressed any interest in my ideas for a better ASCII >IPA system, but seeing the attention Adrian's scheme is >drawing, I thought I might just as well add this to the mix >anyway. So ... > >This scheme is, as shall be obvious, based on X-SAMPA/CXS, >with some bugfixes (or fixes of things that bug me, at >least) and one major change. > >As in X-SAMPA, all lowercase Roman letter stays.
Same in my unfinished scheme, except that I used _q_ for the velar nasal. The idea was to use the captals KGQX for uvular sounds. I found no good solution for the voiced fricatives...
>The big >change is that anything that is represented in the IPA by a >superscript is represented by ^ plus the sign in question; >thus ^h for aspiration, ^j for palatalization and so on. >When the superscripted character isn't ASCIIically >available, whatever is used for the character in its >independent IPA use is used instead; eg ^G for velarization.
In my unfinished proposals I introduced a distinction between _ and ^ for indicating diacritics. For example _l indicated 'lateral' while ^l indicated 'lateral*iz*ed', _n was 'nasal' ^n was 'nasalized' etc.
>I'm sure this scheme perserves a variety of aspects of CXS >others find obnoxious. Tell me, and we can hopefully word >out an improvement!
I absolutely think that the \ and ` diacritics should *precede* the character they modify. In the case of the backslash this is the way it is normally used in programming languages, and in the case of ` one may (at least on a Swedish keyboard, as I'm sure you know) inadvertently type e.g. {tà} when {t`a} is intended, while {`ta} is fool-proof in this regard. BTW I think that the frequent use of \ should be avoided, since it leads to ugly character sequences in phonemic transcriptions: /i\/ or /\i/ are equally bad in this respect! I have no immediate suggestion for an alternative diacritic, however. Perhaps * ?
>The below mostly reproduces the IPA, but >I'm perfectly open to add more non-IPA distinctions. Anyway, >this what I have ATM:
[snip] The only thing that really worries me is how the r`/4` distinction is to be represented in non-ASCII! :) Perhaps the olden click-symbol 'streched c' (U+0297) might be locally revived for [4`]! BTW there should of course be a retroflex lateral flap symbol [l\`] too!
>Clicks p! T! t! S! > > >I don't know if any further back clicks are possible, but if >you can do a palatal click, [c!] suggests itself, etc.
There indeed is a palatal click.
>I do not ATM have any better idea than X-SAMPA's _< and _> >for implosives and ejectives - I'm open for suggestions.
I suggest _! or ^! for implosives and _? or ^? for ejectives.
>Other consonant symbols: > >W voiceless labial-velar fricative. >w voiced labial-velar approximant. >H voiced labial-palatal approximant. >H\ voiceless epiglottal fricative (someone tell me what this is!) ><\ voiced epiglottal fricative >>\ epiglottal plosive (I want to change these two too - suggestions?)
I used Q\ and P\ as ugly hack alternatives in my CXStoHTML perl script, since it is my absolute opinion that < and > should be avoided in something that is to be put inside an HTML document.
>s\ voiceless alveopalatal fricative >z\ voiced alveopalatal fricative >s\! palatoalveolar click >l\ alveolar lateral flap >x\ simultaneous S and x >5 velarized alveolar lateral approximant > >Affricates and double articulations may optionally be >inclosed in { } to disambiguate.
An old suggestion of mine. I used the same in my proposal
>Alternatively, affricate or >double articulation may be assumed, and clusters separated >by '-'. Note that normal parentesis and square brackets >retain their IPA functions! > >Vowels: > >| i y i\ u\ M u >| I Y I\ U\ U >| e 2 @\ 8 7 o >| @ >| E 9 3 3\ V O >| & 6 >| a &\ A Q
What about [8\] for [2^w]?
>Superagementals: > >' Primary stress >, Secondary stress >: Long >; Half-long >;\ Extra short >. Syllable break >| Minor (foot) group >|| Major (intonation) group > >For tone, I don't have any improvements on CXS to suggest >ATM. However, if '<' and '>' are freed up, I'm thinking they >could be used to enclose tonal info. Eg, [ma<TMH>] would be >the syllable "ma" with an obnoxious extra high-mid-high >contour tone on. Since ! and ^ have been hijacked, it would >also allow us to use <!> and <^> for downstep and upstep.
Good Idea. May I also suggest the not unprecedented use of numbers 1-5 for tone annotation on the principle: <5> extra high <4> high <3> mid <2> low <1> extra low If you will it is a way of transcribing Chao-style tone letters. It also allows for annotation of contour tones like this: <15> rising <51> falling <45> high rising <12> low rising <454> rising-falling Additionally one may use # to indicate numbered tones, like /ma#1 ma#2 ma#3 ma#4/ for Mandarin, or /anden#1 anden#2/ for Swedish.
>Diacritics: > >_0 voiceless (zero) >_v voiced >^h aspirated >_o more rounded (using lowercase lessens risk for confusion with _0) >_c less rounded >_+ advanced >_- retracted >¨ centralized (did not seem to be any reason not get rid of the underline)
NB ¨ is not a valid ASCII character. I take it you mean ".
>* mid-centralized >= syllabic >= non-syllabic (can't think of any symbol that need distinct syllabic and >non-syllabic diacritics!) >` rhoticity >_¨ breathy voiced
Same comment as per centralized above. May I suggest _h as an alternative? [snip]
>_` no audible release (similarish to IPA diacritic, and I hate brackets used >for non-brackety purposes)
>The ^X = superscript X convention may also be used for >writing explicitly falling or raising diphthongs: [a^i], >[^uo].
NB that {u^o} might be ambiguous with your 'lowered' diacritic. E.g. German _au_ is phonetically {ao}. [snip]
>Bring along the feedback - flak or praise, I'm ready! > > Andreas
/BP 8^) -- B.Philip Jonsson (delete X) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Truth, Sir, is a cow which will give [skeptics] no more milk, and so they are gone to milk the bull." -- Sam. Johnson (no rel. ;)


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>