Re: sending mail to the list

On Wed, 2 May 2001 18:22:57 EDT David Peterson <DigitalScream@...>
writes:
> In a message dated 5/2/01 3:03:23 PM, jaspax@U.WASHINGTON.EDU writes:
> << Anyway, I wrote to say (1) that both "put" and "book" have /U/
> (the lax
> sound), and (2) that it doesn't matter since the distinction between
> /u/
> and /U/ may be gone in 20 years anyway.  >>
>     I realized at the time that it was kind of a joke, yet...as I
> sounded it
> out and did over and over again, I found I do have two different
> vowels in
> "put" and "book": my lips are rounded with "put" and they definitely
> are not
> with "book".  Did I just invent this when I saw that?  Does any
> other native
> English speaker have this?  Any native Southern California English
> speaker?
>
> -David
-

I have it too... it seems to be connected to the aspiration on the /p/ of
"put".  So it's more a feature of the preceding consonant than anything
tied to the vowel.  It seems to be the same as the reason for the feeling
that i had when me and my brother were coming up with the alphabet for
ool-Nuziiferoi (whose alphabet eventually developed into the alphabets of
Rokbeigalmki) and felt that /p/ is a more "forwards" sound than /b/.

Btw, the {oo} in "ool-Nuziiferoi" is that vowel of "put"/"book" again.
Both ool-Nuziiferoi and Rokbeigalmki have both /U/ and /u/, although
Rokbeigalmki's /U/ is fronted, closer to /u-/ or something like that.


-Stephen (Steg)
 "some say the end is near,
  some say we'll see armaggedon soon;
  i certainly hope we will -
  sure could use a vacation from this..."
     ~ "Ænema" by Tool

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