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Re: 3 Phonetics-Related Q's

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Sunday, August 15, 2004, 13:24
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:16:43 -0400, I. K. Peylough <ikpeylough@...> wrote:

>>> 2. Why is the [r\] at the end of words (American English) often >>> transcribed as [@`] in dictionaries? Where is the difference? I know the >>> little hook i sf ro indicating rhoticity -- are there other >>> vowels/consonants/sounds in general that can be rhoticized? >> >>Any vowel can be rhoticized. If you try to pronounce the English word >>"ear" (as in rhotic dialects) as a single segment, you end up with >>something like /i`/ or maybe /I`/. It involves forming a channel in the >>middle of the tongue and retracting the tongue root, I think. > >I thought rhotacizing involved turning the tongue tip up. >My understanding is that [@`] is to [r\] as [e] is to [i] (more or less). I >think it occurs in dictionaries because the editors' accents have tended to >be a compromise between non-rhotic and fully rhotic. I don't have any >studies to refer to :( so take that with a grain of salt.
My understanding is that [@`] and [r\=] are mostly used as variant notations of the same sound, a rhotic pronunciation of /r=/ or /@r/.
>Incidently, that was how I was taught to pronounce German < er >
That sounds to me like a heavy English accent. The pronunciation is mostly indicated by [6], though there are variants (but none of them is [r\=] or [@`]).
>>> 3. Did clicks arise through affricates? I don't know why affricates, >>> but something in my mind tells me so.
Couldn't in the first non-pulmonal release in a serie of stops be phonetically described as a click, e.g. the release of the /p/ in _captive_? If this is true, then clicks might possibly evolve in this way. g_0ry@_ˆs: j. 'mach' wust