Re: USAGE: No rants! (USAGE: di"f"thong)
|From:||Dana Nutter <sasxsek@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, May 30, 2006, 12:58|
li [Philip Newton] mi tulis la
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:18
> To: CONLANG@listserv.brown.edu
> Subject: Re: No rants! (USAGE: di"f"thong)
> On 5/29/06, Dana Nutter <d_n@...> wrote:
> > li [veritosproject@GMAIL.COM] mi tulis la
> > > [x] _Esperanto!_ j/k
> > I overlooked that one in my post. Though it is phonemic,
> the diacritics
> > need to go. I prefer the <cx gx hx jx sx w> system, but
> would rather
> > see something that doesn't need digraphs either.
> Er, you have the problem that Esperanto has more phonemes than there
> are letters in the Latin alphabet. Thus, you need to extend the
> alphabet -- and diacritics and digraphs are two popular ways to do so.
> If you eliminate those, what else is left? (I suppose you could press
> into service letters such as <q w x y> which aren't currently used,
> but only a Pinyin-reader could love that...)
> _If_ you don't want extra letters, a better way is to reduce the
> number of phonemes. As several of the Esperanto reforms did :)
> For example, Ido got rid of <hx gx> (the first is pretty marginal in
> Esperanto anyway, and is often replaced by <k>) and spells <jx> as <j>
> (Esperanto <j> is Ido <y>). However, the other two special letters use
> digraphs, <ch sh>; I suppose one might have used <q x> had one not
> wanted to use those for <qu> = /kw/ and <x> = /ks/ (/gz/?).
As you mentioned, some letters/phonemes could be eliminated by merging
with others, but that involves a little more than just orthographic
reform. /x/ -> /h/ (or /k/?) /ts/ -> /s/, /z/ or maybe /tS/.
Then you could have something like:
<ux> -> <w>
<j> -> <y>
<jx> -> <j>
<cx> -> <c>
<sx> -> <x>
<gx> -> <q>
It's not too pretty, but neither is the existing system. However now
it's easily machinable.
dejnx nxtxr / Dana Nutter
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