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Re: USAGE: No rants! (USAGE: di"f"thong)

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 31, 2006, 8:50
Citerar "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>:

> On 5/30/06, wayne chevrier <wachevrier@...> wrote: > > My idea goes like this: > > > > <ux> -> <w> > > <j> -> <j> > > <jx> -> <zy> or <jy> > > <cx> -> <cy> > > <sx> -> <sy> > > <gx> -> <xy> or <gy> > > <dz> -> <x> > > Beyond <ux> to <w>, which is already used by many people who otherwise > use the -x digraphs, none of those feels like an improvement. > > Fine, since everyone is taking this seriously. Lessee what we have: > > -x: a b c cx d e f g gx h hx i j jx k l m n o p r s sx t u w v z > CXS: a b ts tS d e f g dZ h x i j Z k l m n o p r s S t u w v z > > If I were going to change anything - which I am not proposing. I have > no desire to become the creator of Idido or whatever! - I would first > merge <k> and <hx> into a single phoneme; most of the words with <hx> > have alternates with <k> anyway, and [k] is a common realization of > [x] in languages which lack the latter sound. > > I would then divide all the affricates into their component > stop+fricative sounds. If we're going to be forced to use digraphs > anyway, they might as well be digraphs that make logical sense. Of > course, you could then reanalyze the affricates as realizations of a > two-phoneme set and poof! No digraphs at all. :) > > Then we'd just need symbols for /S/ and /Z/ and we're done. For maximum > comprehensibility, I propose switching to <y> for /j/, then using <j> > for /Z/. Which leaves the question of what to use for /S/; I can see > arguments for both <c> and <x> (the latter mostly in that it's used > that way in some Asian transcription systems). I choose c.
This is quite similar to a spelling reform of ol' Esperanto that Mark Rosenfelder once suggested (and which I can't currently seem to find), except he used 'x' for /S/. Using 'x' for /S/ is common in Iberoromance, altho in Spanish it's gone >[x] and mostly got respelt as 'j'. For reasons that should need little explanation, the convention is also common in Mesoamerican languages. I'm not aware of any language using 'c' for /S/, but I'd certainly not be surprised if it is somewhere. It's /dZ/ in Turkish ... Andreas


Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>