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What is an IE language (was: Re: Workshops Review from Yitzik the

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Thursday, December 19, 2002, 15:16
A few nits.

Christophe Grandsire scripsit:

> (grammatical prefixes > are extremely rare, derivative prefixes are a bit more common)
The only grammatical prefixes that come immediately to mind are German ge- (the past participial marker) and older English a- (lexicalized "on" before present participles, now mostly lost).
> - case and number marked on nouns, using a nominative-accusative system.
Ergativity is common in Indic, which is the largest single branch.
> When the neuter is present and there are cases, the neuter > is *always* specific in having an identical form in the nominative and the > accusative.
Yes, this is a *very* IE trait.
> (although Slavic languages > like Russian seem to have a pretty thorough system where each and every tense > is doubled according to aspect),
Better I think to say that each *verb* is doubled according to aspect in derivational but unpredictable ways; sometimes pfv is derived from impfv, sometimes the other way.
> Person marks tend > to disappear on the verb, obliging people to use personal pronouns), although > many IE languages seem to do very well without it :)) (look at Russian for > instance :)) ).
I think this is overgeneralizing from Germanic and French (which toked a heavy hit of Germanic in the past). Most IE languages are pro-drop, as are most languages worldwide, I think.
> relative subclauses > always follow the noun
There is a world-wide tendency to postpose heavy modifiers.
> (and are introduced with a relative pronoun referring > back to the noun the subclause completes, giving its function in the > subclause).
Not always. In Germanic, that-clauses are dominant. (Funny how Germanic's so often the outlier.)
> In questions, reordering the sentence is common. VSO becomes the > predominant word order, and when a question word is present it is normally > always first, whatever its function in the sentence.
I think these things are universal in IE.
> And if your conlang's most features are found among the list I gave, you can > safely say that it's an IE or IE-based conlang.
I don't think that any set of grammatical features can make a language IE without a vocabulary derivable from PIE. -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that jcowan@reutershealth.com hardly nobody could get there and most of http://www.reutershealth.com the leaders would stay home and let him go http://www.ccil.org/~cowan to work and do things as he pleased. --Mencken, _Declaration of Independence_

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