Re: OT: Definitely Not YAEPT: English phoneme inventory?

According to my AHD "loch" is Scots Gaelic originally, but borrowed early
enough that it had an ME form, which would make it a genuine ModEng word
by my standards
John Leland
 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:30:58PM +0100, Ian Spackman wrote:
> > >I didn't think /x/ occurred in any English words, though, which would
> > >make it not an English phoneme. It's a common enough sound that most
> > >English speakers have heard it, but not in native words.
> >
> >
> > You don't consider loch an English word?  (To take the most obvious
> > example.)
>
> Ah, well, no, I don't.  Or didn't.  I thought "loch" was Scots Gaelic, not
> Scots English.  If it's Scots English, then I withdraw my objection to the
> inclusion of /x/ as an English phoneme. :)
>
> -Mark
>

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