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Re: G'amah antipassive

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Thursday, February 24, 2000, 1:35
FFlores wrote:
> d'ul lli-nhach n'ana- hoh > eat AD cat AI.DUP mouse > 'the cat eats mice' > > becomes > > ad'ul lli-nhach bu > AP.comer AD gato APO > 'the cat eats'
Interesting that you used English glosses the first time, and Spanish glosses the second time. :-) I'm assuming AD and AI mean "artículo [definite]" and "artículo [indefinite]"?
> 2. In langs with passive voice, the demoted subject > can be mentioned with an oblique complement. What > would happen with antipassive objects? Any natlang > precedents of such a construction?
Yes. Greenlandic (IIRC) uses the commitative case, some languages use instrumentals or other cases. Instrumental is used in W for the demoted ergative. It differs from the normal instrumental in that it cannot be incorporated into the verb, while "simple" (unmodified) instrumentals can.
> In that case, > what would its connotations be? (In passive voice, > the idea is to emphasize the object and making > the subject irrelevant -- what about antipassive?).
Similar. Passives can also be used for concord purposes, consider: John hit Bill and left (i.e., John left) with Bill was hit by John and left (i.e., Bill left) For languages with ergative syntax (keep in mind that some languages have ergative marking, but accusative syntax), Bill (being the absolutive) would be the subject (absolutive) of the second verb, so to make John the subject of "left" you'd have to have something like John-ABS hit-AP Bill-OBL and left -- "If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore, and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God!" - Ralph Waldo Emerson 11 Wafsafíif watyánivaf plal 273 ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTailor