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Re: aliens!

From:ROGER MILLS <rfmilly@...>
Date:Saturday, December 8, 2007, 18:49
BP Jonsson wrote:
>B Garcia skrev: >> >>I honestly would not be surprised if that's true. You >>could get quite a few phonemes out of a tic-tac-toe grid. > >There is a 'cypher', especially popular with boyscouts, >called _brädgårdschiffret_ 'the lumberyard cypher'in >Swedish which works by placing the letters of the alphabet >in three tic-tac-toe grids and then using segments of the >grid as letters, using diacritic dots to distinguish yhe >three groups. An illustration with text in Swedish is at ><http://tinyurl.com/3b59af> ><http://www.morlandascoutkar.se-/scoutfakta/chiffer/bradgard.asp>
Interesting.......I was thinking, this idea is pretty old.......I recalled that chums and I "devised" the tic-tac-toe thing way back in grade school (mid 1940s)-- I was never a Scout, but others were-- so that must be where the idea came from. I didn't recall the X-thing, but obviously one needed something to get 8 more symbols than the 18 provided by 2 TTT grids......
> >As they point out it is more effective if the order of the >alphabet is scrambled! The cultural impact of this 'cypher' >is illustrated by the fact that some Swedes call the # >symbol _brädgård_ 'lumberyard'.
That's amusing. I guess in Kash we could call it (base hambar) _akambar_ 'grid, lattice' or _hamba-krambar (hambar redup.) ~cakambar 'in a disorderly heap or pile (usu. of straight or rigid things like logs, lumber, tools, books)' BTW, where/how are people finding all these things in the "aliens" site? I confess, I haven't clicked on any of the links-- but don't see any that seem specifically related to language(s)........

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Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>