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Re: Amerindia [was: Re: Workshops Review #7]

From:daniel andreasson <danielandreasson@...>
Date:Thursday, February 6, 2003, 16:10
Joseph Fatula:

> > What is the Navajo fourth person?
Eamon Graham:
> It's a pronoun that has a wide number of uses, especially cultural, > including use in polite language and to indicate "highly topical or > psychologically remote referents." I personally enjoy it because > you can say a sentence like "he knows he's fat" and disambiguate > whether the second "he" refers to the first "he" or someone else we > were talking about.
Which is très cool. I have a proximate/obviative in my Amerind conlang Piata. Which is what you're talking about above. But I didn't stop at an obviative (or second third person). I also have a *third* third person, or "farther obviative" (which I shamelessly stole from some Algonquian language, might have been Cree or Ojibwa -- or possibly both. :) The nearer obviative would be used in expressions as: i) the chief's horse:NEAR-OBV. And the farther obviative would then be used in expressions as: ii) the chief's son's:NEAR-OBV horse:FARTHER-OBV I'm not sure if this is how I'm going to use it yet. But this is how I saw it used in that Algonquian language. Possessives, btw, are formed with the formula iii) the chief his-daughter = "The chief's daughter" which in Piata would be _chahta fa-nuehsha_. I really ought to write things like this down in my slowly progressing grammar, instead of keeping them in my head. :) Daniel Andreasson --


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