Re: Amerindia [was: Re: Workshops Review #7]
|From:||daniel andreasson <danielandreasson@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, February 6, 2003, 16:10|
> > What is the Navajo fourth person?
> It's a pronoun that has a wide number of uses, especially cultural,
> including use in polite language and to indicate "highly topical or
> psychologically remote referents." I personally enjoy it because
> you can say a sentence like "he knows he's fat" and disambiguate
> whether the second "he" refers to the first "he" or someone else we
> were talking about.
Which is très cool. I have a proximate/obviative in my Amerind
conlang Piata. Which is what you're talking about above. But
I didn't stop at an obviative (or second third person). I also
have a *third* third person, or "farther obviative" (which I
shamelessly stole from some Algonquian language, might have been
Cree or Ojibwa -- or possibly both. :)
The nearer obviative would be used in expressions as:
i) the chief's horse:NEAR-OBV.
And the farther obviative would then be used in expressions as:
ii) the chief's son's:NEAR-OBV horse:FARTHER-OBV
I'm not sure if this is how I'm going to use it yet. But this
is how I saw it used in that Algonquian language.
Possessives, btw, are formed with the formula
iii) the chief his-daughter = "The chief's daughter"
which in Piata would be _chahta fa-nuehsha_.
I really ought to write things like this down in my slowly
progressing grammar, instead of keeping them in my head. :)