Re: representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

Quoting Joe <joe@...>:

> Tristan McLeay wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Joe wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>But it's not [6].  I say this after years of experience living around
> >>RP-speakers.  It's more closed than that.  However, when I round it, I
> >>don't get [o], so I'm thinking it's probably [3].
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So whats in 'bird'? I thought it was [3:] in RP?
> >
> >
> >
> It is.  Length contrast, I think.  The only other vowel that does that
> is [E] vs [E:](minimal pair - 'cairn'[kE:n] vs 'ken'[kEn]).
'Cairn' is [kE:n] in modern RP? My school textbooks indicated it as [ke@n],
and I usually say [kE@n] (I also have [e@] for the vowel in 'ear', which my
texbooks indicated as [I@]).

                                                            Andreas

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