Re: representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:

> At 12:55 17.1.2004, Joe wrote:
>
>> [M] and [V], IIRC.  The latter is the sound in RP 'put'[pVt].
>>
>>
>> More exactly it used to be.  The modern sound is [6], but
>> traditional transcription lags behind.
>>
>> Well, actually, I made a mistake there.  The modern sound is [U], but in
>> 'putt' it's [pVt], and it you can't say it's changed, because English
>> doesn't have a universal phonology.(YAEPT alert!).
>
>
> I meant *putt*.  _Putt_ is [p6t] just as surely as _put_ is
> [pUt].  Pronunciation changes.  Orthography changes slower.
> Phonetic transcription ought to change apace with
> pronunciation, but unfortunately it sometimes becomes a
> kind of alternative orthography.

But you can't say with any confidence 'it used to be'.  Nothing ever
changes universally, to the same sound.  In my ideolect, it's definitely
not [6], which sounds far too [a]-ish.  I think it's definitely either
[3] or [V], probably the latter.

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