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Re: CHAT: Contractions in colloquial German (was: Re: articles)

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Tuesday, February 1, 2005, 22:56
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:38:01 +0100, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

>You don't have _'s_ for _das_? In Aachen they have it whenever possible >(which is not to say they refrain from it when it's impossible!), and I've >heard it or heard it reported from other bits of Germany and Switzerland too. > >(By "impossible" I mean when it creates initial consonantal clusters no sane >human would want to associate with, as in _'s Schwimmen_ [sSvImn=].)
:) Don't say that! You might offense those Swiss people who do pronounce it that way /'sSv\ym@/ (though I guess they'd rather be proud of it). In my dialect, however, the regular form of the definite neuter article is /ts/, not /s/ (whereas the full form /ta(:)s/ is a demonstrative). Therefore, I say /'tsSvYm:@/. Note that the onset of this is different from the onset of /tSvYm:/ 'the fungi' and /tsvYS:@/ 'between'. I'm not getting into Alemannic contractions... ...speaking of which reminds me of the intrusive n of Alemannic dialects, which might be interesting to some. Most Alemannic dialects have dropped the final n. Therefore, it's not /vi:r 'Sla:f@n/ 'we sleep', but /mI:r 'Sla:f:@/. If a vowel follows, an n reappears: /mI:r 'Sla:f:@-n-Its/ 'we sleep now' (there are no glottal stops). This n appears also in places where the non n-dropping varieties of German don't have an n, compare /Iç 'Sla:f@ jEtst/ to /I 'Sla:f:@-n-Its/ 'I sleep now'. Its use is however restricted, and in a lot of cases it's decreasing in the urban varieties. What other linking consonants have been devised? kry@s: j. 'mach' wust


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>