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Re: Spoken Thoughts ( My second, better formed, non crappy Language)

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Thursday, January 4, 2001, 7:15
En réponse à jesse stephen bangs <jaspax@...>:

> > other, or put them on other types of words): Mood, Tense and Aspect. > You can > > also add the category of Person for languages where verbs agree in > person with > > their subject. > > This is only partly true. A lot of modern analyses recognize at least > four categories: Tense, Aspect, Mood, and Illocutionary Force. That > last > one, of course, is the bugger and it's rather hard to pin down which > properties are modal and which are illocutionary. >
That's partly why I didn't talk about it. My knowledge of linguistics isn't particularly precise and I didn't want to confuse people with details that confuse myself :) .
> > Finally, the Mood category describes the more the opinion of the > speaker about > > the action, whether it is simply described (indicative), seen > subjectively > > (subjunctive), wished (optative), ordered (imperative), wanted > (desiderative), > > hypothetical (conditional), mandatory, possible, probable, etc... > > > > This is where the Mood category gets split up. Mood per se deals only > with the relation of the statement to reality: whether it is objectively > true (indicative), objectively false (negative), unlikely (dubitive), > dependent upon something else (conditional), "sub-joined" to another > action (subjunctive), > probable, reported to be true, etc. In many Papauan languages there is > a > modal distinction between information attested by the speaker himself > and > information that is simply hearsay, for example. Illocutionary force > deals with the > attitude of the speaker toward the statement: neutral (indicative), > wished > for (optative), commanded (imperative), etc. >
Difficult to separate them isn't it?
> > Inside a category, the forms are mutually exclusive: you cannot have a > verb at > > the same in present and in past. So your question about a subjunctive > imperative > > form is answered: it is not possible because subjunctive and > imperative are both > > moods, and thus cannot appear together in the same verb (in fact, > there ar even > > languages that express order through the subjunctive mood). > > Actually, there are many languages in which Mood and Illocutionary Force > are categories that can contain more than one member. This is > especially > true of agglutinative languages that have several non-exclusive affixes > indicating modal or illocutionary properties. Yivríndil is one of these > languages! >
Yes, I can believe it, but I wanted to stay simple. That's why I gave a picture maybe a little unprecise. Christophe.