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Re: Spoken Thoughts ( My second, better formed, non crappy Language)

From:Eruanno none <eruanno@...>
Date:Thursday, January 4, 2001, 1:23
> > First off, I want to ask a few questions: > > > > Could there be a verb in the Subjunctive Imperetive form? > > > > What other forms of the verb are there [ besides Subjunctive ( the > > wishing > > case, I believe ), Imperetive, and the tenses ( past, present, future, > > past > > perfect, future perfect ) ]? > > > >Well, I think you're mixing things here. Verb forms belong to categories, >in >which the forms are mutually exclusive. Mostly three categories of verb >forms >are recognized universally (even if some languages sometimes lack one or >the >other, or put them on other types of words): Mood, Tense and Aspect. You >can >also add the category of Person for languages where verbs agree in person >with >their subject. > >The Tense category describes the absolute location in time of the action >(typically past, present and future, even if some languages have more than >one >degree in past and/or in future). The Aspect category describes more a >relative >relation with time, that's to say whether the action is completed >(perfect), >ongoing (progressive), punctual (aorist), still to be done (prospective), >etc... >Finally, the Mood category describes the more the opinion of the speaker >about >the action, whether it is simply described (indicative), seen subjectively >(subjunctive), wished (optative), ordered (imperative), wanted >(desiderative), >hypothetical (conditional), mandatory, possible, probable, etc... > >Inside a category, the forms are mutually exclusive: you cannot have a verb >at >the same in present and in past. So your question about a subjunctive >imperative >form is answered: it is not possible because subjunctive and imperative are >both >moods, and thus cannot appear together in the same verb (in fact, there ar >even >languages that express order through the subjunctive mood). On the other >hand, >you can make as many combinations of forms of the three categories as you >want >(even if languages don't always have all: French has a subjunctive past, >but not >English, Greek had indicative, subjunctive and optative, while Latin had >only >indicative and subjunctive). That's why in English you can have past >perfect, >present perfect and future perfect (all of the indicative mood). In written >French we have the past simple (which is a past aorist) as well as the >imperfect >(which is really a past progressive). Portuguese opposes an indicative >future >with a subjunctive future, and Classicial Latin had an imperative present >but >also an imperative future! > >As for verb forms in English, you can count all those made through the >so-called >modals (you counted the future which is expressed in English by will+verb, >so >why not the others?) which correspond to different moods (would for the >conditional for instance).
I see, thank you for clarifying that. I will go and revise me verb grammar part thingy...
> > I have an intransitive prefix/suffix that makes the verb intransitive. > > > >Is it an affix which would allow to say "I eat-affix" instead of "I eat >it", or >a passivizer affix making "It eat-affix": "It is eaten" from "I eat it"? I >mean, >what's the meaning of the intransitive verb derived from a transitive verb >in >this way?
What I mean is that you would add Aa- to the beginning ( or a similar prefix, depending on the first character of the word )to a verb that is transitive, to get a verb that would go into an intransitive sentance. "I hate food" would not constitute as an intransitive sentance, but "The dog is big" would constitute one. If I wanted to use a verb that wasn't originally intransitive ( or was either intran. or tran. ), I would add Aa- to it and use it in the sentance. Most verbs are originally transitive in my language ( save a few ), so this prefix would be necessary for "eat" if I didn't create another word for the intransitive version... Hope that answere's your question. Hantale, Eruanno _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com