Re: Caste Languages

Eric Norton wrote:

> Men and women speak with significantly different pronunciation to the point
> where, to an outsider, the languages would appear to be dialects.
This jogged my memory and made me think of two _similar_ things.
The first is that I swear I read somewhere that in some dialect of
North African Arabic (I want to say Algerian, because it was tied
somehow with the pieds noirs) women have at least a slightly
different pronunciation than men.  Can anyone substantiate this for
me?

The other thing (a much different phenomenon but related to gender)
is the Ngatik Men's Language on Ngatik Atoll.  Apparently it's a
creolised variety of English and Ponapean.  As always, Ethnologue
just gives enough info to get you excited:

"A creolized language from the Sapuahfik dialect of Ponapean and
English whose genesis is the direct result of a massacre in 1837 of
adult males on Ngatik by British traders. Spoken by adult males who
are also native bilinguals of the Sapuahfik dialect of Ponapean.
Adult male speakers. Women and children understand it."

Anyone know anything else about it?

I enjoyed the discussion about Chukchi.  I'm looking for ways to
disguise the true origins of words for my Shpáarres project so I
might borrow some of those sound changes.  (Shpáarres isn't going to
be the real name of the language, just the working name; it's the
Pashto word for "sixteen" - the sixteenth conlang I've worked on)

Cheers,
Eamon