Re: USAGE: Adrian's vowel disorder (was: RE: [i:]=[ij]? (was Re: Pronouncing "Boreanesia"))

And Rosta wrote:
>Adrian Morgan wrote:
>>Kristian Jensen wrote:
>>>Adrian Morgan wrote:
>>>>The biggest problem I have with the above is that you've got
>>>>/u/ as a diphthong. Well, depending on what the previous
>>>>consonant is, there might indeed be a neutral vowel ([@]
>>>>AFAICT) emitted whilst the mouth moves from the consonant to
>>>>the /u/. For a consonant like 'm' from which the lips must
>>>>first move up before they move out, this is particularly
>>>>likely. But fundamentally, the Australian /u/ is not a
>>>>diphthong.
>>>
>>>Perhaps its a dialectal thing? I've always heard a diphthong there.
>>
>>Definately no diphthong. One thing worth mentioning: the more 'educated'
>>the social dialect, the less prominent the transitional schwa
>>that sometimes appears before certain vowels. In 'broad' Australian
>>dialects, it's *very* prominent.
>>
>>For now, I'll accept:
>>
>>/u/    [y:]~[U:]
>
>If for you it's definitely not a diphthong, then my money'd be on
>_moon_ having [u-], barred-u, central high round. [U:] is totally
>wrong.
I have to agree with And here. [U:] simply cannot be correct. Long
vowels in English are distinctively tensed, not laxed. I'd also put
my money on [u-:] (with length, which I'm sure And only left out
because he was emphasizing the quality not the quantity).

-kristian- 8)