> From: Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
> Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000
>
> Pavlus vracir isc Timutheus
> pavlu-s vra:cir is-c timuthe-u:s
> Paul.NOM brother.NOM be.3S Timothy.GEN
> "Paul is Timothy's brother."
I don't like this order. I'd probably have to say "vracir Timutheus isc
Pavlus" (at least till I invent a third-person pronoun...: "Pavlus vracir
Timutheus isc [3S]")
> From: Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
> Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000
>
> > I think I will be keeping <j> for /dZ/. However, the concultural
> > explanation will be that they couldn't find a good Romanization of
> > /dZ/ either and borrowed the old alphabet's /dZ/ letter (which,
> > descended from a kind of zayin, looks already quite like a j...)
> > I already have a habit of not dotting the i's and j's when writing
> > Atlantic, so it's all right.
>
> I have a habit of not dotting my {i}s and {j}s whenever i'm writing in
> the Latin alphabet, no matter what language i'm writing in.
My dots tend to incorporate into following letters:
http://ns.southern.edu/~alrivera//ligato.gif
> From: jesse stephen bangs <jaspax@...>
> Subject: Re: [i:]=[ij]? (was Re: Pronouncing "Boreanesia")
>
> BUT, I don't think that /N/ is a phoneme. I've tried to convince my
> linguistics teacher that every instance of [N] in my idiolect can be
> explained by the rules:
>
> /n/ > [N] / __{k/g}
> /g/ > 0 / N__#
>
> where # indicates a morpheme boundary. Thus, "sing" is underlying
> /sing/; "ringer" is ['riNr=] because of the morpheme boundary
> /ring#+er/; "finger" is [fiNgr=] because it's a single morpheme. Does any
> one (read: Dirk) care to disagree?
long, strong, wrong, and (obs.) mong
--> stronger /stSrANgr=/ "more strong"
--> wronger /rANr=/ "more wrong, one who wrongs"
--> longer /lANgr=/ "more long"
--> longer /lANr=/ "one who longs"
--> monger /mVNgr=/ "one who trafficks"
> From: jesse stephen bangs <jaspax@...>
> Subject: Re: FW: ShoeBox 5
>
> The Gray Wizard sikayal:
>
> > FYI,
> >
> > My! From freeware to $45 +s&h!
> >
> > David
>
> A while ago someone posted a url where Shoebox was still available for
> free (perhaps illegally). Can that person post the address again?
According to CONLANG archive it's sh401.exe
in ftp://rhiann.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/ling/tools/
v4 didn't stop being freeware, did it? I know v5 did...
> From: Robert Hailman <robert@...>
> Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000
>
> > > From: Robert Hailman <robert@...>
> > > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 31 Oct 2000 to 1 Nov 2000 (#2000-299)
> > >
> > > Ooh, I like this system. I like putting accents on consonants. :o)
> >
> > Yup. I had to go through several systems to find actual accented
consonants
> > available in common fonts (all those letters are in Times New Roman,
Arial,
> > etc)--I have Unicode fonts on my computer, but not everybody has...
>
> Do Times & Arial have z<dot>? I can't say I've noticed that.
z<dot> is in in the Latin Extended-A block of Unicode, which is one of the
blocks that the standard Windows fonts implement. (Is it called 'WGL-4'
that Microsoft uses, or is that something else?) Anyway, it's not in the
windows *character set* so you can't just type it anywhere.
If you have a Word you should be able to reach it by Insert | Symbol.
Capital and lowercase z-dot in HTML: Ż ż
http://ns.southern.edu/~alrivera//extchar.gif
> > I had carons for them before. But the shape just seemed so complex
compared
> > to the dot and the acute.
>
> They are complex, I can't deny. I used them in the original draft of
> Ajuk, but my handwriting turned them into breves and then to macrons -
Now, an s and a z with a _macron_ would be something!
> but then again, I write lower-case "f"s as something vaugely resembling
> upside-down checkmarks.
Heh. My s's and g's are pretty much identical.
> > I think I will be keeping <j> for /dZ/. However, the concultural
> > explanation will be that they couldn't find a good Romanization of /dZ/
> > either and borrowed the old alphabet's /dZ/ letter (which, descended
from a
> > kind of zayin, looks already quite like a j...) I already have a habit
of
> > not dotting the i's and j's when writing Atlantic, so it's all right.
>
> I kand use <j> for /dZ/, I already use it for /j/, as inspired by Polish
> & German.
Could use j-caron, or somesuch (as I have seen in some guides on English
pronunciation)...
> From: DOUGLAS KOLLER <LAOKOU@...>
> Subject: Re: Languages
>
> > Besides, saying that there's a grammatical rule of "drop final
> > consonant" is just so much more interesting!
>
> This is an interesting argument which I've never heard before, but it
raises
> as many questions as it purports to explain away.
I read it in a book somewhere just as an example of how the rules of spoken
language can be different from the rules of written language.
*Muke!