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CONLANG Digest - 2 Nov 2000 to 3 Nov 2000 (#2000-301)

From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Saturday, November 4, 2000, 18:14
> From: Muke Tever <alrivera@...> > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000 > > Pavlus vracir isc Timutheus > pavlu-s vra:cir is-c timuthe-u:s > Paul.NOM brother.NOM be.3S Timothy.GEN > "Paul is Timothy's brother."
I don't like this order. I'd probably have to say "vracir Timutheus isc Pavlus" (at least till I invent a third-person pronoun...: "Pavlus vracir Timutheus isc [3S]")
> From: Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...> > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000 > > > I think I will be keeping <j> for /dZ/. However, the concultural > > explanation will be that they couldn't find a good Romanization of > > /dZ/ either and borrowed the old alphabet's /dZ/ letter (which, > > descended from a kind of zayin, looks already quite like a j...) > > I already have a habit of not dotting the i's and j's when writing > > Atlantic, so it's all right. > > I have a habit of not dotting my {i}s and {j}s whenever i'm writing in > the Latin alphabet, no matter what language i'm writing in.
My dots tend to incorporate into following letters: http://ns.southern.edu/~alrivera//ligato.gif
> From: jesse stephen bangs <jaspax@...> > Subject: Re: [i:]=[ij]? (was Re: Pronouncing "Boreanesia") > > BUT, I don't think that /N/ is a phoneme. I've tried to convince my > linguistics teacher that every instance of [N] in my idiolect can be > explained by the rules: > > /n/ > [N] / __{k/g} > /g/ > 0 / N__# > > where # indicates a morpheme boundary. Thus, "sing" is underlying > /sing/; "ringer" is ['riNr=] because of the morpheme boundary > /ring#+er/; "finger" is [fiNgr=] because it's a single morpheme. Does any > one (read: Dirk) care to disagree?
long, strong, wrong, and (obs.) mong --> stronger /stSrANgr=/ "more strong" --> wronger /rANr=/ "more wrong, one who wrongs" --> longer /lANgr=/ "more long" --> longer /lANr=/ "one who longs" --> monger /mVNgr=/ "one who trafficks"
> From: jesse stephen bangs <jaspax@...> > Subject: Re: FW: ShoeBox 5 > > The Gray Wizard sikayal: > > > FYI, > > > > My! From freeware to $45 +s&h! > > > > David > > A while ago someone posted a url where Shoebox was still available for > free (perhaps illegally). Can that person post the address again?
According to CONLANG archive it's sh401.exe in ftp://rhiann.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/ling/tools/ v4 didn't stop being freeware, did it? I know v5 did...
> From: Robert Hailman <robert@...> > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 1 Nov 2000 > > > > From: Robert Hailman <robert@...> > > > Subject: Re: CONLANG Digest - 31 Oct 2000 to 1 Nov 2000 (#2000-299) > > > > > > Ooh, I like this system. I like putting accents on consonants. :o) > > > > Yup. I had to go through several systems to find actual accented
consonants
> > available in common fonts (all those letters are in Times New Roman,
Arial,
> > etc)--I have Unicode fonts on my computer, but not everybody has... > > Do Times & Arial have z<dot>? I can't say I've noticed that.
z<dot> is in in the Latin Extended-A block of Unicode, which is one of the blocks that the standard Windows fonts implement. (Is it called 'WGL-4' that Microsoft uses, or is that something else?) Anyway, it's not in the windows *character set* so you can't just type it anywhere. If you have a Word you should be able to reach it by Insert | Symbol. Capital and lowercase z-dot in HTML: &#379; &#380; http://ns.southern.edu/~alrivera//extchar.gif
> > I had carons for them before. But the shape just seemed so complex
compared
> > to the dot and the acute. > > They are complex, I can't deny. I used them in the original draft of > Ajuk, but my handwriting turned them into breves and then to macrons -
Now, an s and a z with a _macron_ would be something!
> but then again, I write lower-case "f"s as something vaugely resembling > upside-down checkmarks.
Heh. My s's and g's are pretty much identical.
> > I think I will be keeping <j> for /dZ/. However, the concultural > > explanation will be that they couldn't find a good Romanization of /dZ/ > > either and borrowed the old alphabet's /dZ/ letter (which, descended
from a
> > kind of zayin, looks already quite like a j...) I already have a habit
of
> > not dotting the i's and j's when writing Atlantic, so it's all right. > > I kand use <j> for /dZ/, I already use it for /j/, as inspired by Polish > & German.
Could use j-caron, or somesuch (as I have seen in some guides on English pronunciation)...
> From: DOUGLAS KOLLER <LAOKOU@...> > Subject: Re: Languages > > > Besides, saying that there's a grammatical rule of "drop final > > consonant" is just so much more interesting! > > This is an interesting argument which I've never heard before, but it
raises
> as many questions as it purports to explain away.
I read it in a book somewhere just as an example of how the rules of spoken language can be different from the rules of written language. *Muke!