Re: CHAT: affricates/grammar help/intransitivity/free word order

Quoting # 1 <salut_vous_autre@...>:

> are there languages using others affricates than [t_-S], [d_-Z], [ts], or
> [dz]?
Yes!

> I've never heard about other than these (and i'm not sure than [ts] and [dz]
> are usually considered like affricates)
I wouldn't dare say anything about "usually", but there's certainly plenty of
languages where they're considered affricate.

> there could have [kx], [gG], [qX], [G\R], [pp\], [bB], or the labio-dental
> versions of the 2 lasts, that are easily differenciable
[pf] occurs in German; some southern dialects also have [kx] (with the extremely
evil orthographic representations 'k' and 'ggch' in a Zürich German grammar I
once leafed thru). [qX] appears in Georgian, and apparently arguably in French.
Can't offhand think of any natlang attestation for the voiced ones.

> and there is [t_+T] (like t and the voiceless "th" sound) and the same thing
> voiced wich sound less differenciable of only [T] and [D]
>
> are these existing in some language?
I seem to recall hearing of [tT] in some North American language.

> because I'm now thinking about a conlang in wich I need these (at least the
> billabial, labio-dental, velar, and uvular ones) or I'll miss some sounds
FYI, my (sketchy) conlang Telenian (AKA Telendlest, Telenzh) has a fairly
impressive inventory of affricates: [pP tT ts dz tS dZ kx].

                                                     Andreas

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