Re: Books for sanskrit self-study

On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 01:07, Michael Adams wrote:
> Any ideas on how they got so far west?
It happened during the CE 1000s.  It was related to the Muslim invasions of
North India; precisely how I'm not sure.

But they left or were forced out of the Punjab Valley and across the Hindu
Kush to Iran, somewhat later than the Parsees were pushed out of Iran into
North India.

And since they were an itinerant set of clans anyway, they just kept
wandering.  Some wandered within the Middle East, some wandered further west.
Some wandered so far west they wandered into England and Scotland, but they
never made it into Ireland.  The Travellers in Ireland are apparently the
descendants of Irish chiefs who refused to settle anywhere where the English
could keep an eye on them,
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> I do know that there was a trade between what is now Iraq to SE
> Asia in Tin going back to Sumerian times..
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> Hittite and Hurrian and like got that far west.
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> But Romany are they decendent of lower caste Indians or even go
> back to days before the caste system got entrenched or what?
They're descendants of lower-caste itinerant Indian clans who specialized in
metalwork and all such lower-caste activities, trading being a major one.
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> What is what the Romany are good at, the caste in India and
> their place in the caste system?
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> Have they been a help in recreating older related languages?
> Such as trying to figure out what the root language, and how is
> was spoken.
It's certain that the Romani languages have been useful in recreating northern
Middle Indian languages, but later than the Prakrts and before the earliest
vernaculars were reduced to writing.

Wesley Parish
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> Mike
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Benct Philip Jonsson" <bpjonsson@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT] Books for sanskrit self-study
>
> > Michael Adams skrev:
> > > Wasn't it partially linguistic records that showed that the
> > > Gypsy/Romany, originally come from India?
> > >
> > > "Aryan" parts or the Dravidian parts or what?
> > >
> > > Mike
> >
> > Romany can with the methods of comparative philology
> > be shown to be a group of Indo-Aryan languages spoken
> > in the Middle East, Europe since the late Middle Ages,
> > and later also carried to the Americas.  Not surprisingly
> > they can be shown to be most closely related to Kashmiri
> > and Punjabi, which are spoken in the North-West of the
> > Indian peninsula.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Benct Philip Jonsson" <bpjonsson@...>
> > > To: <CONLANG@...>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [OT] Books for sanskrit self-study
> > >
> > >>Philip Newton skrev:
> > >>>On 7/7/06, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpjonsson@...>
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> wrote:
> > >>>>BTW I once read about a Swedish gypsy man who
> > >>>>came to the Sanskrit professor at Uppsala (IIRC)
> > >>>>because he wanted to learn "Sannskriften".
> > >>>
> > >>>"Truth writings"?
> > >>>
> > >>>Cheers,
> > >>
> > >>Close enough: "The true writing"!
> > >>
> > >>--
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > /BP 8^)>
> > --
> > Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se
> >
> >     a shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot
> >
> >                                  (Max Weinreich)
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