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Re: OT: Russian in ASCII?

From:John Cowan <cowan@...>
Date:Thursday, January 1, 2004, 21:25
Mark J. Reed scripsit:

> Russian has two <i> sounds, long and short. Both are represented > in Cyrillic by a letter that looks like a backwards Roman capital N > (?? if you have Unicode), but the short one has a breve over it > (the same flattened-U symbol used to indicate "short" vowels in > English dictionaries): ??.
Short in the sense that it forms the off-glide of a diphthong with the preceding vowel. Note that -iy is usually transliterated simply -y in Latin, but is written with two letters in Cyrillic.
> Russian also has another i-like vowel, called [jeru], whose Cyrillic > representation looks like bI (??). It's a high vowel and I think > it's really a diphthong with an offglide, but I don't know exactly > how to represent it phonetically even though I can reproduce it > faithfully.
It is [1] in X-SAMPA, and is the vowel Western North American anglophones use in "just".
> Additionally, there are two letters which are silent but palatalize or > de-palatalize the preceding consonant, called the "soft sign" and > "hard sign" respectively. The soft sign (mjakij znak) looks like a small > lowercase b, or musical flat (??), while the hard sign (tvjordij znak) is > the same with a half-crossbar on top to the left (? ).
The hard sign is used only when a j-bearing vowel follows. There is a four-way opposition CV / C;V / CjV / C;jV, written with a hard vowel, a soft vowel, a hard sign + soft vowel, and a soft sign + soft vowel respectively; soft sign is also used finally to mark a palatalized final consonant.
> Also, Russian spelling is not completely phonemic, in that there are places > where the preceding consonant is not palatalized despite being followed by > a palatalizing vowel. And some consonants are simply never palatalized at > all.
A few consonants likewise are always palatalized. The always-p and never-p consonants are conventionally followed by a je i o u only, which are in some sense the unmarked forms, never by ja e y jo ju.
> Finally, there is a typographical oddity in that the palatalizing > O is visually the same letter as the palatizing E with a diaresis > (two dots above) added.
Not just typographical: jo is closely related to je grammatically. -- John Cowan <jcowan@...> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan http://www.reutershealth.com Unified Gaelic in Cyrillic script! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Celticonlang

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