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Re: Emegali Verb Review

From:Anthony M. Miles <theophilus88@...>
Date:Thursday, January 23, 2003, 16:56
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:08:03 +0200 From: "Isaac A. Penzev"
<isaacp@...> Subject: Re: Emegali Verb Review Anthony, Steg, shalom!
Sorry for delayed reply, I have lots of work these days... Steg Belsky
wrote: <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Anthony M. Miles writes: > l-g-l > Qal (active):
ilagal 'rule' > Nip'al (passive): illagal 'be ruled, serve' > Hip'il
(causative): uSalgal 'cause to rule, anoint' > Hitpa'el
(intransitive/denominative): 'be king' > Pi'el (pluralize/intensive): 'rule
for a long time' Are these the Emegali names for the paradigms? I can't
remember... is Emegali a Semitic conlang with a 'grand master plan', or is
it just supposed to be very Semitic-like? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Btw, these
name aren't universal, they fit only Hebrew! Arabic, for instanse, has
different names based on their own affixes and vocalizations! Anthony,
you'll need your own names badly, otherwise you should use Proto-Semitic
equivalents... 2. What about other passive binyanim like Hof`al and Pu`al?

Using the Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary Stems of Akkadian, I’ve got (? =
forms which are not attested in Akkadian, but which could have existed):
S-r-d ‘multiply’
I 1     Pe’al           simple stem                     iSrud
II 1    Pa’el           intensive                       uSarrid
III 1   Shafel          causative                       uSaSrid
IV 1    Nifal           passive, rarely reflexive               iSSarid (<inSarid)
ta                      reflexive/middle
I 2     Ifte’al         simple r/m                      iStarid
II 2    Ifta’al         intensive r/m                   uStarrid
III 2   Ishtafal                causative r/m                   uStaSrid
IV 2    Ittafal/Intafal passive r/m                     ittaSrid (<intaSrid)
tan-                    = -ta-
I 3     Iftane’al                                               iStanarid
II 3    ?Iftana’al                                      ?uStanarid
III 3   ?Ishtanafal                                     ?iStanaSrid
IV 3    Ittanafal                                               ittanaSrid
        (<Intanafal)                                    (<intanaSrid)
Perhaps I-IV2 (-ta-) could be reflexive and I-IV 3 (ta-n-) passive (since
the –n- reminds me of Nifal). Does that seem reasonable?
Here are
Personal Pronouns
1sc     Nae
2sm     za
2sf     zi
3sm     ene
3sf     bi
1sc     menden
2sm     zenden
2sf     zinden
3sm     eneden
3sf     biden
Direct Object Verbal Suffixes
-a- is attached to verbal forms ending in a consonant
1sc     Nu
2sm     zu
2sf     za
3sm     ne
3sf     bi
1sc     me
2sm     zunu
2sf     zina
3sm     nene
3sf     bina
Genitive Nominal Suffixes
-a- is attached to nominal forms ending in a consonant
1sc     Nua
2sm     zua
2sf     za:
3sm     naya
3sf     bia
1sc     maya
2sm     zunua
2sf     zina:
3sm     nenaya
3sf     bina:
Indirect Object Verbal Suffixes
-a- is attached to verbal forms ending in a consonant
1sc     Nura
2sm     zura
2sf     zara
3sm     nera
3sf     bira
1sc     mera
2sm     zunura
2sf     zinara
3sm     nenera
3sf     binara

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< (i've usually seen their verb charts go 1-3 person, not
3-1. your order confused me for a second :) ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think
Anthony learned Hebrew in a Bible college using either P.Kelly or Th.Lamdin
textbooks. They both use this strange order in paradigms. People say, this
is a traditional order among Semitologists, but I find it confusing too...

I’m still learning Hebrew, and on my own. It’s the order which my “
Beginner’s Assyrian” (published 1998) uses.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If you're basing this off of a 'grand master plan' from
Proto-Semitic, please tell me where i can get the info you have! This is
making me want to work on my Unnamed Semitic Conlang! :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me
too! Me too! > -Stephen (Steg) kol b'rakhoth, Yitzik

Perhaps you ought to give it a shorter provisional name? If it’s a 3rd
millennium BCE language, you could have the Emegali world’s Bahrain/Dilmun
or Oman (the Emegali dominions stretch from Yemen to Socotra and Italian

"commune id vitium est, hic vivimus ambitiosa
"this is our common fault; here we live in ostentatious poverty"
Juvenal, Satires 3.182-3

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