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Re: New Conlanger

From:Joshua Shinavier <ajshinav@...>
Date:Saturday, May 15, 1999, 12:46
In response to your response to Patrick's response to your first post:

> >Friendly advice -- for a logical language, go phonetic. What, really, is > the difference between ck and k? Or is there one that you forgot to > explain? > > Well there really isn't a difference but I might as well make one since you > mention it. CK has more of a UH sound at the end than K which has a AUH sound.
I don't get it. How can the consonants have particular vowel sounds -- is this a syllabary of sorts (letters represent a whole syllable rather than just a basic sound)?
> >I like that you can call an animal by what it eats. But is it very > logical? Perhaps you're going for an artlang instead? > > What is the difference in conlangs and artlangs? I thought it was logical > because you can describe the animal's size and eating habits.
Er, no. That's just semantic descriptiveness, e.g. saying "pig-meat" instead of "pork", "baked-rock" instead of "brick", etc. The names of your semantic elements are unimportant logically. If you say decide to call "pork" "what-my-grandmother-served-us-last-night" and "brick" "something-I-feel-like throwing-at-my-neighbor" this does not change the logic of your statement as each word has its own definition -- there is no way to "logically" name all the semantic words you need without producing ridiculously long words. Please give me the logical name for a pizza. You might think of one, for instance "round-piece-of-food-with-cheese" but this isn't really satisfactory as chances are whatever shortish name you choose will describe a number of other things just as well (in this case, er... a cheesecake, among other things I'm sure). Logical languages are about unambiguity in the *interrelation* of things, and of course your definitions must be clear as well. Josh