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Re: Names for derivative forms - request for comments PLEASE :)

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Friday, March 10, 2000, 12:00
At 11:32 09/03/00 -0300, you wrote:
>Eric Christopherson <raccoon@...> wrote: > >>The basic concept behind the associative category is that it's an object or >>possibly a person which is in some *unspecified* way associated with the >>action of the verb. Mainly it'd be used for something that didn't fit into >>any other categories. > >OK -- which means it's gonna have to be lexically specified. >(Otherwise one could imagine many things.) >
Ah... the strong pleasures of grammatical ambiguity... Am I the only one to find this nice? :)))
>>could be "something which is intended to be eaten." (BTW, did you invent >>that phrase, or is it someone else's? I've heard of _nomen agentis_ >>and -_actionis_ before but not that one.) > >I think I saw _nomen patientis_ somewhere, but in fact >I made it up on the fly by analogy. I have no idea about >Latin declensions, but it sounded right... >
Patiens, patientis, it's all right (I suppose you have agens, agentis :) ), 3nd declination noun, quite a common ending...
> >>> >Occasion >>> > -Refers to a larger occasion surrounding or connected to the >>> > action/event >>> Isn't this the same as the resultative? >> >>Not exactly. This refers to some sort of "bigger" event surrounding a >>smaller one, as a wedding is a large ceremony centered around the act of >>people getting married, but also including other elements. I actually got >>the idea for it a day or so before I read about something like this in >>Spanish, oddly enough. For those of you who don't speak Spanish, when you >>say "Where is the test?" (meaning where will the test be administered) you >>would use the verb <ser> for "to be," whereas if you were asking the >>location of the actual paper the test is printed on you would use <estar>. > > >Now that you point it out, yes. For occasions (a wedding, >party, a test), you use _ser_; for actual objects, _estar_. >But I can't imagine many contrasting pairs like 'the test' >you mention. For a wedding, one has to use _ser_; asking >where the wedding is using _estar_ would sound as if one >had gone to a given address and the wedding party had been >swept away by a strong wind or something. :) >
Well, you never know... With the storm we had in France between Christmas and New Year, everything could have been possible :))) Christophe Grandsire |Sela Jemufan Atlinan C.G. "Reality is just another point of view." homepage : (ou :