Re: Ashamed of [T]? (fy: /T/ -> /t_d/?)

Pascal A. Kramm wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:46:48 +0000, Jan van Steenbergen
><ijzeren_jan@...> wrote:
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>>--- Mark J. Reed skrzypszy:
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>>>I only added that as an aside in my post, whose primary purpose
>>>was to ask why some Germans are "ashamed" to say [T]. Feeling
>>>ashamed about producing a phone just strikes me as odd.  I still
>>>don't understand it.
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>>In Dutch, [T] can only be heard in the speech of people with a speech
>>defect. And I think that's the answer to your question. Even though
>>the effect is not the same when Dutch people speak English, many of
>>them are hesitant to use it even there. It's like the fear to get
>>undressed before entering a sauna, even if you know that all the
>>others are undressed, too. ;)
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>It's exactly the same in German - either th sound can only be heard from
>people having a speech defect. As such, the sound is very undesirable, and
>that's why I wrote a German would be rather *disgusted* by it (and certainly
>not *ashamed*).
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'Disgusted' has extremely strong connotations.  I wouldn't use it unless
it literally made you feel nauseous.

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