Re: [Fwd: [raplinrie] It's A Very Good Day]

It is still an extremely good day inspite of the usual nit picking.

"Raymond A. Brown" wrote:

> At 2:11 pm -0700 10/10/98, Robert J. Petry wrote:
> ........
> >T e u gue de cde!
> It is a very good day today.  [Note cataphoric use of 't']
>
How many folks on the street know or care about the word "cataphoric"? I'm sure
they think that everytime such an occurance occurs.;--)))

>
> >J js yce l Mote Bumotz d England.
> I just received the Speedwords Dictionaries from England.
>
> >Ai, yku y l 8 Mote stum m "appendix" &e.
> Also, enclosed [preterite!] was the 8 Speedwords lessons with "appendix" &c.
Also, enclosed were the 8......

> [Er - shouldn't that be the perfect participle 'kud'? 'yku' doesn't seem to
> make sense here.]
Ai, kud y l 8 Mote stum m "appendix" &e., This would be better, thanks.

> >So, nu w p edo fovy l 8 stum.
> So, now we can start to promte the 8 lessons.
>
> >D2 j r edo ze l bumot a cz qi yord g!
> Monday I will start to send the dictionary to those who arranged them!
>
> [Do you really mean 'yord', i.e. "ordered' = "arranged"? ]
No, see below, it means "ordered" as in requesting "goods"

Since the definition is more than one word in the dictionary, the context would
not permit "arrange" Ray. If in practice over time we find we need a new word
for the dictionary, then and only then we will add it.

> >X v des ha u bumot, or l 8 stum, pl ri a j & ax f l if.
> If you wish to have a dictionary, or the 8 lessons, please write to me &
> ask for the information.
>
> >Al l sue,
> All the best
>
Thanks for the translation, finally I got you to do some actual Speedwords on
the net. HooRay!

> [snip]
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ORDER
>
> The 1951 Speedwords dictionary gives only:
> ord = (to) order, (to) arrange, set in order
Notice the three definitions, and to order and to set in order are two different
concepts decided upon by simple context, etc.

> bid = (to) order, (to) command, (to) tell
You missed "orde". order (institution.)

> The meaning "to ask for something to be supplied" is not given, nor have I
> been able to find it in "Dutton World Speedwords", "Supplement to Dutton
> World Speedwords" or "Dutton Double-Speed Words Companion to Text-Book."
Because one of the meanings above of ord is (to) order (something). It can also
mean (to) arrange (something-s) or to set in order. Here is a sample of DUTTON's
own use of ORD from the book Dictation Exercises on the thousand most used
words.

>From the very first test in the book. "Dear Sir, -- Thank you very much for your
letter received last week with ORDer enclosed which has come just in time for me
to attend to it before prices go up. I am pleased to hear from you again and am
glad you sent this ORDer when you did. By the way, we have got some very good
things here this week which we know you will like when you see them. They are
the very kind of think you have been asking about, and we advise you to call
some day soon and see what you think of them and send in their ORDers.....In any
case I will see that your ORDer is sent off as soon as possible after this
letter. You can pay for the goods when you wish...."

>From the third  test. "...It will not be possible for us to send you goods on
any new ORDer if we do not receive some payment first, and I would ask you to
attend to this as soon as possible.

So, to ask for something to be supplied is within the Speedword ORD after all.
The "to be supplied GOODS" were to be sent because of an "ORDer" And, another
usage of the word ORD..."But I have to ask you to put your account (in) ORDer
first..."

>From lesson 1 of the Dutton Corres. Course. Some samples.
Do you know in which order they have to write, dear?
Q v sa i qu ord g h a ri ka

Please say if you think this is in order. (to set in order)
Pl di x v pu c e i ord.

Do you think this is in order if I go up to see them as and when mother says?
(to set in order)
Q v pu t r e i ord x j go up vu g z & qe mer di.

I will write and send an order by return now I know they have to make some of
it.(order something to be supplied)
J r ri & ze u ord by ur nu j sa g h a ma ul d t.

It is the three items you have ordered which have made so large an addition to
the account. (order something to be supplied.)
T e l 3 ut v h ord qu h ma so la u ad a l bil.

etc, etc
Also see Teach Yourself Dutton Speedwords book.

Now, as to BID. "35. "Bid clearly means 'tell' in l sense d 'command', z in
'Tell him to be quiet'. 'Tell' ai has l meanings 'inform & 'narrate': these will
e dealt m i due course." Text book p. 21

> This seems strange since Dutton, quite rightly IMO, is usually very careful
> to different the different meanings of English homophones.
> Following the analogy of 'axnes' to denote "requisition", I suggest 'axfur'
> for this meaning of "order".
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >This, the only World Brief-Script in existence,
>
> It may have been the only (potential) world briefscript when Dutton printed
> it on the cover of the 3rd edition of "Dutton World Speedwords" in 1946,
> but this is no longer so.  We now have at least (I'm sure there are others):
It's beyond (potential) now. It is actually growing in users as we speak!

> - Babm, the IAL proposed by Fuishiki Okamoto in 1962
>
Not in use today, and I have the whole book, and it is not that efficient.

>
> - Iso, an offspring of Speedwords, which was promulgated by Brother Young
> and the United Congress United Congress Publication in 1996
Have received info on this finally. Not  finalized yet either, and not in use
anywhere in the world at present.

> -and, of course, Skrintha's Lin which is certainly the briefest script I've
> come across.  Cf.
Seems to me he enjoys Speedwords too. Besides, I don't know how many use lin
with him either, yet.

> Lin:           i5o m                             [5 characters]
> Speedwords:    por kon e ib                      [12 characters]
> English:       important agreement is possible   [31 characters]
>
> I include the space(s) since every programmer knows they are characters
> (ASCII 32) they do act as necessary delimiters in the respective languages.
>
> [Possibly one ought to include 'Cyberyak' also as a (potential) world
> briefscript, but it seems to me to rely a lot on compounds which make it
> somewhat 'unbrief' ]
>
> >breaks down all the present language barriers to free international
> >correspondence between all countries.
>
> .....as, of course, all conIALs claim  ;)
Certainly, they do, but how many are really in use? Let's not argue theory,
let's use factual usage on the planet, not in the heads of critics who talk
about and tear down, but never use these languages with others in communication.
However, in real life actual usage the above statement, connected with the "only
Brief Script in existence" that is actually being used worldwide, only applies
to Speedwords at this time, thank you very much. ;--)))

It's still a very good day, and I enjoy celebrating advancement and progress
while others quibble and get nothing done. Speedwords now has, thru me, over 500
people in 37 countries studying it. When I started, with your help by the way,
when you helped me replace material I had lost, there were maybe a dozen? And,
it's still growing and growing and growing, in spite of my occassional lack of
not being 101% efficient in my human memory system. I'll take progress every
day. I thought you would be happy with the progress, not disappointed that it is
going so well?

Besides, when we have grown to the point where enough people are using it in
daily actual usage, then, with that feedback from experience in use and not
theory from those who don't use it, we will correct any "supposed" weaknesses in
Speedwords. And, I have the highest approval to do so, thankfully.

Al l sue,
Bob, x+