Re: Uusisuom's influences

Andreas skrev:

> > Well, if I understand things correctly, the Finns originally spoke
> > some Proto-Indo-European language, but later took over the language
> > of the proto-Saami when the Finns came to what is now known as Finland.
> > So I'd say it's more than "ties" to Saami ;-). Finnish is Saami with
> > a PIE substrate.
> How sure are you on that?
Oh, I'm very sure. I'm always very sure. It makes the people around
me feel comfortable. ;) That doesn't necessarily mean it's correct,
though... :)

> After checking up several encyclopaedias,
Well. They might be a bit old. The theory above is what I know
from the recent documentaries on TV and the class on European
languages I took two months ago. Although "new" isn't always
"correct". ;)

> I find they all agree that Saami is a group of its own within the
> Finnic langs, while Finnish is counted to the Baltic-Finnic group,
> which also includes Estonian, Karelian, Ingrian and several other
> langs. If the Finns originally spoke a IE lang, mustn't the lang they
> took over rather been a Baltic-Finnic lang?
Wouldn't that depend on when the Finns took over their language
compared to when Finno-Lappic split up into Balto-Finnic and
Lappic? Does anyone know when the Finns got to Finland and when
Finno-Lappic split up?

> Also, tho' I know that it's not very popular to mix genetics into
> discussions on language, rather reliable sources tell me that
> genetically, the Saami can be considered a mix of the "Germanic"
> peoples who came to Norden from the south and the "Finnic" peoples
> that came to Norden from the east. Genetically, the Finns are closer
> to the other Finnic-speaking groups than the Saami are, which
> suggests that they may be closer linguio-historically (is that a
> word?)
Now it is. :)

> too.
Yes. From what I've heard, the Saami are (I'm very *very*
bad at this genetic stuff, but bear with me) related to
the people who 15.000 (?) years ago made graffiti all over the
Lascaux caves in France. Some peoples wandered north and some
wandered east. Does anyone know more about this? I feel I'm out
on a limb here.

If the time-frame is 15.000 years, then a whole lot of things
have had time to happen with language and stuff.

||| daniel

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