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Re: Rhyming Conlangs

From:Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...>
Date:Sunday, October 14, 2001, 13:41
As far as I can tell, Hungarian only considers the vowels in rhyming, or
at least the vowels is the more important aspect:

[
sAbAdSa:g sErElEm
E ket:2: kEl: nEkEm
sErElmEme:rt
fEla:ldozom e:lEtEm
sAbAdSa:ge:rt
fEla:ldozom sErElmEm
]

[
tAlprA mAdjAr hi: A hAzA
it: Az id2: moSt vadj SohA
rAbok lEdjYNk vAdj sAbAdok
Ez A ke:rde:S va:lAs:atok
]

Both of these are by Sandor Petofy, considered one of Hungary's greatest
poets.

----ferko

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On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Irina Rempt-Drijfhout wrote:

> On Sunday 14 October 2001 02:02, laokou wrote: > > > In other words, I guess, would "syncopation" and "lenition" be > > considered rhymes in English (I doubt it) > > I wouldn't, not in English. > > > as opposed to > > "syncopation" and "alien nation"? And is "syncopation"/"oration" or > > "syncopation/occupation" considered a better rhyme? > > Yes, I consider that a better rhyme in English, but it's probably a > matter of taste. (I'd probably hear 'alien nation' as 'alienation' in > the first case) > > > I don't think > > the Romance languages have these issues (German seems to play). > > I'm not sure about Romance languages, but medieval Latin considers > /'miser/, /'niger/ and /'fortiter/ as rhyming. > > > Are these masculine/feminine rhyme issues? How many syllables back > > does one need to go for a "great rhyme" (the Valdyan song is to die > > from, but does it [endings in '-at'] rhyme? > > Well, Valdyans think it rhymes. Only the final syllable is considered > to determine a rhyme, even though it's usually unstressed because > it's an affix more often than not (stress falls on the first syllable > of the stem). Poets use the (usually stressed) different penultimate > syllables to break the monotony of the aaaa rhyme. Having > rhyming penultimate syllables as well (chalat/valat) is weaker. > > > [singing allows for > > near-rhymes]). > > Also, some languages consider a stressed and an unstressed syllable > as an almost-rhyme; there's a whole Welsh verse form built on that. > > Irina > > -- > irina@valdyas.org http://www.valdyas.org/irina > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > By my troth, we that have good wits have much to answer for. We shall > be flouting; we cannot hold. > - William Shakespeare, _As You Like It_ >