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CONLANG Digest - 15 Jan 2000 to 16 Jan 2000 (#2000-17)

From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Monday, January 17, 2000, 7:35
> Subject: Miksa > > To the store the men went to get groceries > ak plako thilinosemen ak grocerines > > It needs a lot of work and also the above is likely an old example of my > conlang Miksa.
Haw. There is to be a Mukaic conlang, loosely based on how I ...altertalk? Stuff like [sA_kI_k?] for "I'm sorry," "It's all right". (If I read this x-sampa properly... I need to reread the section on vowels in that library book I got... The consonants I can manage but all this close/open/front/back/middle confuses me still...) Have any others here made/planned a conlang based on curiosities in their own speech? The only one I know of so far is Shanya's SCSL...
> From: Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...> > Subject: Re: Numbers > > Muke Tever wrote: > > But you could pull something like English or German, starting everything > > over at ten (eight nine ten eleven twelve, but twenty-eight twenty-nine > > thirty thirty-one thirty-two... "fifty-twelve" for sixty-two is weird,
> > not as weird as "forty-twenty-two"?) > > A base 12 system would say "five-twelves and two" for 62 > > As for English and German, eleven and twelve come from roots meaning > "one left" and "two left", that is, "one more than ten" and "two more > than ten".
Yeah, I had looked it up... But the form of "eleven, twelve / elf, zwölf" being different from "thirteen, fourteen... / dreizhen, vierzehn..."[1] gives the appearance of base-twelve numbers, or at least the possibility of "natural-sounding" base-twelve counting without making up new words (don't we have 'eleventy' in places, for 110? Tolkien, I think...) But then, that's my opinion, and I'm probably wrong ;) [1] If that's ghastly German, please excuse me...
> From: And Rosta <a.rosta@...> > Subject: Re: A real education was Re: CHAT: Re: Ebonic Christmas > > > It is as unrecoverable as the original meaning of "whore" -- shown by
> > Latin cognate "cara"! > > I have read (journalists, not scholars) that among mainstream youth in > contemporary Britain, a word spelt <ho>, < _whore_, means "girl,
> > "Whore" is probably used more to mean "easily bribed, easily seduced, > easily persuaded to do something in return for material pleasures or > money", nowadays.
I am familiar with that sense of 'whore', but 'ho' here tends to be a negative term similar to 'whore' or 'slut'.
> From: Jeffrey Henning <Jeffrey@...> > Subject: CHAT: Self-Use of Ethnic Insults > > > > >I had *no idea* there was anything negative attached to the word > > > _Jew_ in English, > > I often heard "Jew's harp" as a child. It's "a small instrument
> of a lyre-shaped metal frame that is held between the teeth and a
> steel tongue that is plucked to produce a soft, twanging sound." [AHED]
> of my next-door neighbors, a surrogate grandfather to me, played it. > > As an adult, I've assumed it was offensive, but maybe that's because "Jew" > alone is so often seen as offensive. My dictionary doesn't list it as > vulgar -- is it?
I'm aware of the variant "jaw's harp" for "Jew's harp". (Had assumed perhaps the former was the origin, as the instrument apparently has naught to do with the Jews, but I couldn't find any way to check.) Ah... Search comes up with Is that close to right? *Muke! -- AIM: MukeTurtle FM: Muke ICQ: 1936556