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From:Daniel Andreasson Vpc-Work <daniel.andreasson@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 12:13
Markus Miekk-oja skrev:

> > Some sort of voice, like Henrik suggested, would perhaps be possible. I'm > > eager to see what you, Henrik, can come up with!
> It's called antipassive - making an intransitive verb to behave like a > transitive one, taking an AGT instead of PAT as subject - > She:AGT hit him:PAT and fell:ANTIP, or, She:AGT ran and fell:ANTIP
Yes, I know of the antipassive. But what it does is demoting the object of a transitive clause, unless the definition of the antipassive is wider than I know. So you make intransitive clauses out of transitive ones, just like with the passive voice. Just the other way around, so to say. What you *could* use the antipassive for in the above examples is demoting the object in the first clause (him:PAT) to an oblique case. This wouldn't be very useful though, because case-marking in Piata isn't so much about transitivity, but about control. The "subject" of 'hit' is marked as AGT regardless of its being transitive or intransitive, because the hitter is in control. And the "subject" of 'fall' is always PAT, because falling isn't something you control (at least not in this case). So, what you would end up with is this: She:AGT hit:ANTIPASSIVE (at him:OBL) and [she:PAT] fell. The problem with the "subject" of both verbs taking different case-marking remains. It's possible that I've misunderstood you completly, though, and I'm sorry in that case. I feel a cold creeping up on me, which is blurring my senses. :/ Daniel Andreasson


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