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Re: Received Wisdom on Waponi (LONG)

From:Leo Caesius <leo_caesius@...>
Date:Friday, July 28, 2000, 14:26
Roger wrote:

"My thought was that w2 would blend with neighboring rounded vowels,  so
"vukano", "fofu" or "fofuu" (long V are OK, in fact they often originate in
PN from C-loss.)  A long V might tend to shift the accent, fofúu, unless we
want to preserve Latin antepenult accent--  in at least some cases?"

    Sounds good to me.  I'm not of any particular mind regarding the accent
- such things are hard to track over a long time; in fact, I would think
that accent on these words might follow PN standards rather than retain
Latin ones.

"A revision, which it seems you've already done:  Let /d/ > /t/.  That
business of d>r>l(>w), while it reiterates the phonolgical history of PN,
was a little far-fetched. I mean, sure, there are "persistent rules", but
after 1500 years or so......?"

    Actually, I've tried to introduce several sound changes to "do /d/ in."
My reasoning behind gladius was that, by this time, d had already become a
voiced affricate before front vowels.  Later this became unvoiced (hence the
kwatseu).  I'll introduce the further sound changes that you suggest once I
return to Cambridge (I'm going to be in Jersey for a week visiting the
folks).  I think that I can find a way to eliminate those final vowels in
hiatus and create bisyllables.
    Other ways I've dealt with d:
decimus - sicimu
laudator - wowatO
domus - tomu
and before front vowels it becomes c.  I don't know if this accurately
reflects the outcomes of d in Polynesian, however.

"Let the entire sequence -tsi- reduce to /ts~s/"
    That sounds fair.  The same convention was certainly used in some vulgar

"The problem of other C+iV# remains.  Are there many such
forms, -(cg)iV, -(pb)iV?  (I had pluvium the other day, > **pwuvi > puvi.
Can't think of others offhand, my vocab. is rather spotty.)"

   Yes, quite a few.  Think of all the -tio, -tionis (or -tia) nouns - there
are also a few -viu(m/s)s, -liu(m/s)s, -riu(m/s)s, and a few other
combinations.  Caesius, for example, is Latin for "blueish-green."


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